Should Farley be fired?

[Friday yet?]

That's not really how cars companies work anymore, they exist to make money for the share holders, not to make cars you want to drive. Thats why everyone is on the Green/EV mode right now. As far as production shortages, the big 3 really got hurt with overseas production, and the failed vision of Just in Time Shipping/Assembly.

JIT inventory planning has been a complete melted down shitshow for the past 2+years. Only brightside is the move by many to bring production back closer to home.

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[Friday yet?]

I haven't seen any evidence to support those claims, in fact every new Ford I have bought has proven to be excellent in both quality and engineering.
That is not to say that they don't make bad marketing decisions in terms of options.

Not being argumentative with anyone. Everyone has their own opinion. But I agree with you. I even hear my wife tell people how good our Fords have been to us. No issues. And we generally keep cars for about 10 years.

And prior to me, my wife's experience with cars was all over the map as far as brands. In our marriage the ONLY thing I have ever "told" her is this: you can have any car you want... as long as it is a Ford product. And due to my seriousness she didn't argue initially. (Whew!) Now she doesn't argue due to our track record with the blue oval.

 

[Philvarah]

Not being argumentative with anyone. Everyone has their own opinion. But I agree with you. I even hear my wife tell people how good our Fords have been to us. No issues. And we generally keep cars for about 10 years.

And prior to me, my wife's experience with cars was all over the map as far as brands. In our marriage the ONLY thing I have ever "told" her is this: you can have any car you want... as long as it is a Ford product. And due to my seriousness she didn't argue initially. (Whew!) Now she doesn't argue due to our track record with the blue oval.

Find myself keeping vehicles longer as well. Aging population? Generations now have Uber and Lyft... I didn't...
They can't afford a car or insurance maybe... Or many I've met... Don't want the responsibility... And would rather use those monies to go play and travel. Auto sales not what they use to be..
Cars better built lasting longer than a Yugo.

 

[Cabose-1]

Yes he should. And i should be hired. Hood stuts, tailgate dampers and c to c chargersbin all vehicles.

 

[FunInTheSun]

Hi Floyd,

Ford was down this path of CEO leadership failure with Jaques Nasser. Farley is trying to survive as the real problem is Bill Ford Jr. chairman of the board....It is his agenda and Farley is merely executing this....

I sold my Ford stock many years ago as the company is still family controlled and subject the whims of the family member on the knobs and controls of the company....

I took the pension buyout many years ago as I did not trust the decisions of the Board to keep the company solvent....

That said...the folks in the trenches continue to deliver great products...be they electric, hybrid or ICE.

best,
Phil

Beware of investing in any company toeing the ESG line, as there is coming a day of reckoning. You can ride the EV wave if you want, but be aware the collapse is inevitable. All EV is not sustainable. Hybrids are ok, and that's what Toyota is advocating. ESG is a political solution, and has NOTHING to do with Environment or actual Sustainability. It's all Governance, and all Communist at that.

Europe is now regretting that they have been shutting down their reliable nuclear plants on the advice of a 16 year old girl... They have no replacements ready, and now they are cutting THEMSELVES off from their main supplier of natural gas.

 

[dtech]

One day... Maybe not in my lifetime... We will have some U. S. manufacturing brought back here state side .... Maybe a Federal law is needed to have our main industries ...as it relates to National Security and the economy... be at minimum 50% made here.
I realize president Nixon opened the door to China in the 60's when they were all in 'Rickshaws'... And we all embraced a world economy... Capitalism exploded more... Manufacturing moved away from America...We as consumers wanted it all now and cheap to buy
Make it cost effective...and corporations with the help of modern science, production, computers and software numbers crunching made kit all easier profit driven.
No president had are backs... They all looked away as China became the world power and makes everything including drugs, computer chips...safety masks etc... things we use to make that are of need and National Security for a solvent independent U.S. economy.
The CEOs looked away too... Allowing foreign countries to dictate our supply chain...
Ford is broke... They can't manufacture hardly anything... Majority of skus outsourced and no monies to have extra inventory...and no leadership and foresight to see it all coming.
Hope the 2024 Ranger is great and that Ford will deliver more than one Ranger a month to each dealer inflating current MSRPs and taking away from our hard earned pocketbooks. ... I digress....
I still love Ford ..love my new Ranger...
Hope they survive and my stock goes back up!

CEOs, high level execs, and stockholders didn't look away, they all profited some exorbitantly from moving operations to China, the ever ascending rise in CEO compensation - which now stands between 350 and 600 times the avg worker (depends on size of firm) correlates to this, plus firms were also given tax breaks to help developing nations. Many CEOs compensation is tied to stock prices, increasing profitably by shuttering US plants and going overseas was both easy and a no brainer for them. And as you said consumers liked lower prices on stuff - until they saw their jobs go bye-bye. Way back in the Nixon era developing a relationship with a communist country was sold as it would result in the populace embracing capitalism and democracy, the former has certainly happened , not so much the latter but in general the population has prospered, China has over 500 billionaires, meanwhile back in good old US the fed deficits continued to rise, some of the debt funding coming from the huge trade inbalance between the nations.
I tend to shun those who automatically dis everything elected officials do - a few things I view are positive is making profitable companies who have been allowed to pay little or no taxes pay some taxes, also assisting in funding domestic chip production and lastly most critiqued on here is legislation designed to spur EV growth , requiring battery and other content to be sourced from N. America. If some moves are not taken it's predictable who we would depend on for critical items and it's a country that is increasingly at odds with US geopolitical policies.

But I do agree with previous posts who succintly summarized the root cause - greed . What did Karl Marx say about the rope ?

 

[FunInTheSun]

nah lexus is when the car goes over a certain value thats how it was determined years back from looking it up a long time ago but overall they are the same just more fancy or a completely different car like the LFA?

Maybe you guys have forgotten, or maybe you never di know, but Lexus, Acura, Infiniti, et al were the Japanese response to import quotas imposed on foreign imports to protect American auto manufacturers from Japanese competition.

Each brand had a quota imposed on how many cars they could import in a given year. So, Honda spooled up Acura, Toyota spooled up Lexus, Nissan spooled up Infiniti, and they came back saying, "New manufacturer, need new quota, please ..." and doubled their import quotas. To make up for the costs of spooling up a new brand, they really went one better and made them all "luxury" brands, so they could command higher margins per unit.

Kinda funny, if it wasn't serious business.

 

[Rhino]

Maybe you guys have forgotten, or maybe you never di know, but Lexus, Acura, Infiniti, et al were the Japanese response to import quotas imposed on foreign imports to protect American auto manufacturers from Japanese competition.

Each brand had a quota imposed on how many cars they could import in a given year. So, Honda spooled up Acura, Toyota spooled up Lexus, Nissan spooled up Infiniti, and they came back saying, "New manufacturer, need new quota, please ..." and doubled their import quotas. To make up for the costs of spooling up a new brand, they really went one better and made them all "luxury" brands, so they could command higher margins per unit.

Kinda funny, if it wasn't serious business.

huh thats pretty interesting but that does sound like something they would all do lol

 

[Deleted member 15875]

JIT inventory planning has been a complete melted down shitshow for the past 2+years. Only brightside is the move by many to bring production back closer to home.

I know of at least one CEO that says JIT is dead.

 

[Deleted member 15875]

Beware of investing in any company toeing the ESG line, as there is coming a day of reckoning. You can ride the EV wave if you want, but be aware the collapse is inevitable. All EV is not sustainable. Hybrids are ok, and that's what Toyota is advocating. ESG is a political solution, and has NOTHING to do with Environment or actual Sustainability. It's all Governance, and all Communist at that.

Europe is now regretting that they have been shutting down their reliable nuclear plants on the advice of a 16 year old girl... They have no replacements ready, and now they are cutting THEMSELVES off from their main supplier of natural gas.

That 16 y/o comments ha me ROFL but so true.

 

[MountainGoat]

Maybe you guys have forgotten, or maybe you never di know, but Lexus, Acura, Infiniti, et al were the Japanese response to import quotas imposed on foreign imports to protect American auto manufacturers from Japanese competition.

Each brand had a quota imposed on how many cars they could import in a given year. So, Honda spooled up Acura, Toyota spooled up Lexus, Nissan spooled up Infiniti, and they came back saying, "New manufacturer, need new quota, please ..." and doubled their import quotas. To make up for the costs of spooling up a new brand, they really went one better and made them all "luxury" brands, so they could command higher margins per unit.

Kinda funny, if it wasn't serious business.

Makes sense since the Lexus cars are sold in Japan as Toyota Crown, Toyota Chaser, etc.

 

[MrBirdman330]

Beware of investing in any company toeing the ESG line, as there is coming a day of reckoning. You can ride the EV wave if you want, but be aware the collapse is inevitable. All EV is not sustainable. Hybrids are ok, and that's what Toyota is advocating. ESG is a political solution, and has NOTHING to do with Environment or actual Sustainability. It's all Governance, and all Communist at that.

Europe is now regretting that they have been shutting down their reliable nuclear plants on the advice of a 16 year old girl... They have no replacements ready, and now they are cutting THEMSELVES off from their main supplier of natural gas.

EV's are also pretty much non-practical, I can drive to either coast in two days in a normal vehicle. It would take me at least 4 days going either way due to the fact of how limited the range and charge times are. That wouldn't count the fact that the more weight an EV has the less the range becomes as it's been shown that an EV towing an empty trailer couldn't go 100 miles.

Synthetic fuels would not be difficult to manufacture, two Hydrogen is very sustainable and easy to make, despite what the so called ''experts'' tell you. Over 20 years ago, I watched a Video showing how easy it was to build a network for Hydrogen practically overnight. A simple solar powered fuel station, which was next to a river where the water was sourced, broke the water down into Hydrogen. For what the man doing the explanation said, he filled his Hydrogen powered car up for just a mere $.38 cents. You can build self sustaining Hydrogen fuel stations, costs to convert to Hydrogen isn't expensive at all and requires minimal changes. Best part is, only emissions are jus a few drops of water out of the tail pipe.

 

[LostMy65]

Can hybrids charge themselves while driving?

 

[Floyd]

EV's are also pretty much non-practical, I can drive to either coast in two days in a normal vehicle. It would take me at least 4 days going either way due to the fact of how limited the range and charge times are. That wouldn't count the fact that the more weight an EV has the less the range becomes as it's been shown that an EV towing an empty trailer couldn't go 100 miles.

Synthetic fuels would not be difficult to manufacture, two Hydrogen is very sustainable and easy to make, despite what the so called ''experts'' tell you. Over 20 years ago, I watched a Video showing how easy it was to build a network for Hydrogen practically overnight. A simple solar powered fuel station, which was next to a river where the water was sourced, broke the water down into Hydrogen. For what the man doing the explanation said, he filled his Hydrogen powered car up for just a mere $.38 cents. You can build self sustaining Hydrogen fuel stations, costs to convert to Hydrogen isn't expensive at all and requires minimal changes. Best part is, only emissions are jus a few drops of water out of the tail pipe.

Don't know if you remember, but 50 years ago the catalytic converter was going to solve auto pollution problems... the on;y emissions would be "harmless" CO2 and water!
Now those same people are running around with their hair on fire over CO2 emissions.
No worries.... the "bitchin'' aint gonna stop with Hydrogen

Still..... picture wave generated electricity used to convert sea water to fresh and to Hydrogen
( might even use enough to prevent sea level rise!

)
The devil will still be i n the details.

 

[MrBirdman330]

Don't know if you remember, but 50 years ago the catalytic converter was going to solve auto pollution problems... the on;y emissions would be "harmless" CO2 an d water!
Now those same people are running around with their hair on fire over CO2 emissions.
No worries.... the "bitchin'' aint gonna stop with Hydrogen

Still..... picture wave generated electricity used to convert sea water to fresh and to Hydrogen
( might even use enough to prevent sea level rise!

)
The devil will still be i n the details.

No they will find a ''Problem'' with using Hydrogen Fuel despite the only emissions it makes it just a few drops of water. The second issue is the fact of making any Desalination Plants. The West Coast is a prime example of how ''Lunacy'' runs over rampant there. 90%+ of the Drought and Water Shortages could be remedied with Desalination Plants. Yet states like California won't build them because of issues like a species of Minnow, which only resides in and around San Francisco Bay, there are plenty of places to build these plants up and down the coast. The Feds could give them the money and it wouldn't be put to building these plants. Right now over $30 plus billion has been spent on a non-existent high speed rail line that's supposed to go from San Fran to Los Angeles and San Diego I believe.

The fact is, that basically Battery Electric Vehicles aka BEV's require metals that have to be strip mined from the planet and these mines are large, require massive Diesel Operated Machinery, and Coal Fired Power Plants for some of the larger Drag Line Shovels. Lets not skip the fact you're stripping the surface and it is isn't as easy to do reclamation after that as what they lead you to believe. Now you need to power your BEV which oh is mainly right now done by power plants which are fossil fuel operated aka Coal or Natural Gas fired plants. Due to Three Mile Island and Chernobyl Nuclear didn't get a good footing in the US, and well because of the drought the Hoover Damn isn't looking real good right now which produces power for the Vegas region of Nevada. We've already seen how great ''Renewable Energy'' is when Texas got froze out and the size of a Solar Plant needed for just a city is practically city sized. This basically sums up how blind people are to the truth about BEV's.

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