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All-terrains have more rolling resistance than all-seasons and mud-terrains have more rolling resistance than all-terrains.
I lost a solid 2 mpg on the highway when I put all-terrains on my old Sport Trac, stock size, but the OE tires were so horrible in snow that it was downright dangerous to drive.
Are you sure you are not talking about weight of the tire? ALL-Terrain tires are usually heavier than ALL-Seasons and Mud-Terrains are definitely heavier than All-Terrains.
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Are you sure you are not talking about weight of the tire? ALL-Terrain tires are usually heavier than ALL-Seasons and Mud-Terrains are definitely heavier than All-Terrains.
Yes but rolling resistance matters too.
 

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Yes but rolling resistance matters too.
You are correct but an ALL-Terrain amd a Mud Terrain dont have more rolling resistance compared to All-Season tires. All-Seasom tires are designed to stick to the Road. Mud-Terrains and All-Terrain tires dont stick near as well to the pavement. With that said its usually the weight that causes the MPG loss more.
 

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You are correct but an ALL-Terrain amd a Mud Terrain dont have more rolling resistance compared to All-Season tires. All-Seasom tires are designed to stick to the Road. Mud-Terrains and All-Terrain tires dont stick near as well to the pavement. With that said its usually the weight that causes the MPG loss more.
We’re gonna have to disagree on that.
 

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You are correct but an ALL-Terrain amd a Mud Terrain dont have more rolling resistance compared to All-Season tires. All-Seasom tires are designed to stick to the Road. Mud-Terrains and All-Terrain tires dont stick near as well to the pavement. With that said its usually the weight that causes the MPG loss more.
All terrain and mud terrain tires generally have more rolling resistance than an all season because of the deeper open tread design, stiffer side walls and extra weight. A tire that can confirm to the road surface better such as an all season will have lower rolling resistance.
 


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All terrain and mud terrain tires generally have more rolling resistance than an all season because of the deeper open tread design, stiffer side walls and extra weight. A tire that can confirm to the road surface better such as an all season will have lower rolling resistance.
Except an All-Season tire will have a more sticky tread compound compared to ALL-Terrain and Mud-Terrain tires. Yes there are All-Seaons that are classified as Low Rolling Resistance but they also have a no so sticky tread compound.
 

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Except an All-Season tire will have a more sticky tread compound compared to ALL-Terrain and Mud-Terrain tires. Yes there are All-Seaons that are classified as Low Rolling Resistance but they also have a no so sticky tread compound.
The tread is not sticky, it is softer so it more readily conforms to the irregularities in the road surface and this actually reduces rolling resistance compared to a compound that is hard and can't confirm to the surface. That is why the rolling resistance of a tire goes up in the winter, the tread compound gets stiffer in the cold and can't confirm to the road surface.
 

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All terrain and mud terrain tires generally have more rolling resistance than an all season because of the deeper open tread design, stiffer side walls and extra weight. A tire that can confirm to the road surface better such as an all season will have lower rolling resistance.
Correct. The open tread design leads to more resistance. It causes the larger blocks to have more deflection as the tire goes down the road which increases the resistance. That's why the "eco" style tires have very little gaps between the blocks.
 

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The tread is not sticky, it is softer so it more readily conforms to the irregularities in the road surface and this actually reduces rolling resistance compared to a compound that is hard and can't confirm to the surface. That is why the rolling resistance of a tire goes up in the winter, the tread compound gets stiffer in the cold and can't confirm to the road surface.
Soft compound treads are sticky compunds. They also tend to wear out quicker
 

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Soft compound treads are sticky compunds. They also tend to wear out quicker
If you were to take a cross section of the road surface and looked at it at high magnification it would look the rocky mountains. Soft compound tires have the ability to conform to those irregularities verse riding on the peaks that a harder compound does. It is the added surface area of the tread that is actually in contact with the road surface that improves traction.

The term sticky gets used to describe performance tires but there is no actual adhesion going on. Also, with the advances in compounds you can have soft compounds and still get great life out of the tire.
 

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Soft compound treads are sticky compunds. They also tend to wear out quicker
Wrong.

Soft =/= sticky

All season tires are "softer" meaning the rubber doesn't react to changes in temperature as much as a summer tire. They are too soft in high heat and have less grip. In high heat they get greasy, aka low grip.

A summer performance tire has a harder rubber compound than a AS and it can take higher heat, but a summer tire's rubber gets too hard below around 45F and loses grip. A summer tire is "sticky" versus a AS, but has a harder rubber compound.

All season tires are honestly NO season tires. They aren't great at anything. But for your average driver who doesn't need snow tires, they get the job done.

An All Terrain tire will probably have a harder rubber compound than an All Season, but no where near as hard as a performance summer tire.

The huge difference between AS and AT is the tread pattern, the tread blocks and the weight.

An AT will probably have a thicker carcass or side walls over an AS, plus deeper tread blocks.
 
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As a young engineer I hear older technicians, mechanics, etc. talk constant smack about how engineers lack common sense, but then I engage with my peers similar to you and wonder how the hell all these people have come to that conclusion.

Thank you for the free common sense knowledge drops, Phil.
I worked with a production supervisor that had no brain or imagination. Whenever trying to make improvements on the floor she would complain about "you engineers". I said " without us engineers you would not have your cell phone, car, appliances, computers, or anything else you need and enjoy!" She just gave me a dirty and ignorant look.

Go figure, world's full of luddites!
 

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A summer performance tire has a harder rubber compound than a AS and it can take higher heat, but a summer tire's rubber gets too hard below around 45F and loses grip. A summer tire is "sticky" versus a AS, but has a harder rubber compound.
My best friend has a 6-speed Cadillac CTS-V. He says the tires are hard so as to tolerate high speed high temperature driving. Between that and the 580 hp, he says it's nearly impossible to drive when the temperature is less than 40 degrees. Tires won't stick to the road even if the road is dry. I've driven it, hit the gas and it's like the Millennium Falcon hitting Ludicrous Speed.

All season tires are honestly NO season tires. They aren't great at anything. But for your average driver who doesn't need snow tires, they get the job done.
In PA we don't usually get deep snow but it's very hilly and I've always run just fine with A/T's on my 4x4 trucks. My wife's and daughter's cars get Bridgestone Blizzaks in the winters. Wife is sold on them, she won't roll on anything else.
 

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My best friend has a 6-speed Cadillac CTS-V. He says the tires are hard so as to tolerate high speed high temperature driving. Between that and the 580 hp, he says it's nearly impossible to drive when the temperature is less than 40 degrees. Tires won't stick to the road even if the road is dry. I've driven it, hit the gas and it's like the Millennium Falcon hitting Ludicrous Speed.



In PA we don't usually get deep snow but it's very hilly and I've always run just fine with A/T's on my 4x4 trucks. My wife's and daughter's cars get Bridgestone Blizzaks in the winters. Wife is sold on them, she won't roll on anything else.
My focus st had z-rated tires (up to 168mph) and at 40f they were like driving an old school big wheel on ice. The tires are hard like that so they can take the extreme heat generated at those speeds. I will tell you now though when they have some heat in them, they will break your neck on acceleration and stopping.
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