Reporting Fuel In The Oil issues And Other Issues To The NHTSA

[Delirious]

That's my feeling on this issue. The motors are not being broken in correctly.

That doesn't apply to me. Check the next page from my post about breaking in.

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[JohnnyO]

And those that drive highway and longer distances ( heat) don’t have the issue.

And get a Blackstone report

I will at the next oil change. Done it before on other vehicles just to find the oil they like best.
I bought the truck with 5000 miles, now it has 20,000 and thus far the oil level has not gone up (or down). Oil changed every 5000 miles.
I have posted in the past that I wonder if that is because I almost never make short trips and the oil gets up to full temperature pretty much every time I drive and might be burning off any gas that gets in. My work commute is 20 miles each way and at least three days a week I drive from my office to our other facility which is 14 miles down the Interstate.

 

[AzScorpion]

can you clarify these two conflicting posts from you. I'm starting to get confused

Looks like he broke it in correctly for the first 1,000 miles then drove it like he stole it. ?

I break mine in similar to this too and never had any problems. Now my street bikes and snowmobiles were different. I'd run them about 100 miles, change the oil and drive it hard. The old school theory was break them in the way you're going to drive it. They always ran great and I never had one blow up by doing this.

 

[Delirious]

can you clarify these two conflicting posts from you. I'm starting to get confused

I only babied it during break-in.After that it's it's Katie bar the door because I Drive it, ESPECIALLY on the highway. I've always properly broke-in my new engines. I've owned a dozen brand new vehicle since 1994 and I've never had an issue like this one has. Hope that clarifies it.

 

[Langwilliams]

That's the number one reason I don't like buying a used vehicle.

How a days leases often include all scheduled maintenance. I'd say it is the norm for luxury cars and SUVs. The dealership wants the maintenance records to prove it was well cared for to help resale value.

 

[Delirious]

How a days leases often include all scheduled maintenance. I'd say it is the norm for luxury cars and SUVs. The dealership wants the maintenance records to prove it was well cared for to help resale value.

That's all very well but there's nothing to document how the vehicle was broke in.

 

[Megawatt]

He still cant talk.
I assure you all that he is OK though.

Body snatcher I say!

Because we all know RP was never “OK”. He was so far from OK that if he’s OK now your a body snatcher.

 

[D Fresh]

How a days leases often include all scheduled maintenance. I'd say it is the norm for luxury cars and SUVs. The dealership wants the maintenance records to prove it was well cared for to help resale value.

Just because it's free, doesn't mean people do it. Laziness is the biggest cause of skipped maintenance, not cost.

Unless there is a charge back for uncompleted maintenance. I don't know as I only rent vehicles for the short term.

 

[Langwilliams]

Just because it's free, doesn't mean people do it. Laziness is the biggest cause of skipped maintenance, not cost.

Unless there is a charge back for uncompleted maintenance. I don't know as I only rent vehicles for the short term.

That "oil life" or "maintenance required" light gets peoples attention. People may not care about the long term health of a leased car but no one wants to be stranded so a warning light gets attention. My guess is people that don't care about the maintenance don't know a lot about cars or how they work so they might take a waring more seriously that it really is.

I've never leased a luxury car but they may charge you at the end for not completing the scheduled maintenance. They seem to go over the cars closely. My neighbors Boxster lease was up an a few days before returning it a guy from the dealership came out an went over it for like 45 minutes. I leased a tauraus an my kids beat the hell out of it. I didn't wash it for a month before returning it to hide the scratches with road grime. All the cared about was that I was 7K over the mileage an getting me to buy another car that day.

 

[Langwilliams]

my lease experience in the beginning was toss them the keys, they drive it out back, you get keys for your new ride, sign papers and off ya go.

that's changed a lot.

my last two leases, some ass-clown showed up to my house (third party, not from the dealer or Ford) and went over the vehicle with a magnifying glass, a cloth and literally did everything except change the oil. If it was supposed to move, he checked how well it moved. It it wasn't, he made sure it was solid.
The wear limits were spelled out well in his documentation and they were very thorough.

Ford lost their shirts and their underwear on a few lease returns and learned their lesson.

I don't lease now for the simple reason I don't want to get dicked for thousands in damages at the end of a lease that I feel I overpaid for in the first place.

I'm pretty sure that Taurus went off to the whole sale auction. I read not to lease lower end vehicles. I only leased two out of the 15 new cars I've bought. The better the resale value the better chance a lease is a fair option. My daughter gets new car fever an hates having work done on her car so she's the ideal lease customer. Her cars are in the 40 to 50K range so it works ok for her an she never has to even pay for new tires. Messing with her on a return would cost them a repeat customer. One of my twins leased a new Benz. They offered a ton of incentives to move a leftover. The deal works out that if he wants to buy it at the end it's not a bad hit but if he wants something else or is afraid of the upkeep costs he can walk away. He loves it an he's happy with it. His identical twin brother leased a '19 Fusion. The lease was up a few weeks ago an he just bought it for 12K. One rags on his brother for driving such a plain car an his brother rags on him for wasting so much on a car. Far from identical I guess.

 

[Kemo Sabe]

I have filed a complaint with the NHTSA about the fuel in the oil issue. I have mentioned this website and that there are a number of owners that also have this issue. I think anyone who experienced this issue or any other issue should also report their issues since Ford has not issued a TSB nor recall about this issue. That's according to the service manager at the Ford dealership where I took my vehicle in.
Telling me that a bunch of fuel in the oil will not damage the engine because it's aluminum is just asinine and insulting to what itty bitty intelligence I have.
After he ran his jaws about how there is no damage being done to the engine because it's aluminum. Telling me Ford has no idea how or why this happens, That they are aware of it and have not issued a TSB nor a recall on this issue. He tried to tell me it was a new issue to only a few trucks-just late model 2021 vehicles doing this, but I corrected him by telling him there were a number of 2019 and 2020 owners on the website that stated they had the same issue.
I then said to him, that's what Ford tells you to tell us, correct? He just gave me the look that said I was correct.
So I think we all need to band together and file a complaint about this issue or any other safety related issues that arise. That goes for missing bolts to tire rubbing and everything else in between and beyond.
They have three tries to fix this and then I'm going after the lemon law.

NHTSA
https://www.nhtsa.gov/report-a-safety-problem#vehicle

I’m with you on this. Pay a wad for new Ford, expect it to be good for while!
Keeping a close eye on mine!
Thanks for your leadership.

 

[69/19Ranger]

Direct injected engines will always have fuel in the oil after a while.

Change your oil every 5K miles and you won't have an issue.

Be a cheap ass and you will have engine problems related to oil fuel dilution.

Your choice.

Timely oil changes are a hedge against future problems.

Which is more expensive?

Changing your oil or changing your engine?

 

[MotoWojo]

Direct injected engines will always have fuel in the oil after a while.

Change your oil every 5K miles and you won't have an issue.

Be a cheap ass and you will have engine problems related to oil fuel dilution.

Your choice.

Timely oil changes are a hedge against future problems.

Which is more expensive?

Changing your oil or changing your engine?

My truck has 10% + fuel dilution after only 500 miles, is this acceptable? According to Ford it is. Actually 12% fuel dilution is the lowest for the oil samples taken for my truck, which were all taken and sent out by the Ford.
The general statement you make about DI engines and oil change frequency does nothing to address when someone has a real issue with fuel contamination. Yes, some people unnecessarily freak out when the oil rises a little past the max fill line, but some of us have it much worse.

 

[puckdodger]

Direct injected engines will always have fuel in the oil after a while.

Change your oil every 5K miles and you won't have an issue.

Be a cheap ass and you will have engine problems related to oil fuel dilution.

Your choice.

Timely oil changes are a hedge against future problems.

Which is more expensive?

Changing your oil or changing your engine?

Yeah but they don't tell you that when you buy the truck, you gotta figure it out afterwards, and by then it is too late for some folks. Not everyone is going to disregard the OLM to change the oil after 5K miles, more likely they will go past the recommendation. Lots of people are lazy once the shine is off the chrome, or simply not aware of the issue and end up with problems they shouldn't be having.

 

[Floyd]

Direct injected engines will always have fuel in the oil after a while.

Change your oil every 5K miles and you won't have an issue.

Be a cheap ass and you will have engine problems related to oil fuel dilution.

Your choice.

Timely oil changes are a hedge against future problems.

Which is more expensive?

Changing your oil or changing your engine?

Good points , but I can say that every internal combustion engine will have fuel in the oil after a while, just perhaps not enough to notice.
I haven't seen any evidence of fuel in the oil in my Ranger with 5000 mile oil changes.

Fuel injection of all types has REALLY helped in that regard.
Even the best Carburetors contaminated the oil far worse than the average DI system,
especially in winter and short trips with choke operation.
I once had a friend who drove one (yes one block) to work (plus home for lunch !) in a fullsized sedan with a large carbureted V8. The choke was never open and he was regularly getting extra quarts of fuel in the crankcase. Nothing wrong with the car but I'm betting it was clean as a whistle inside the engine!

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