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[Fawnbuster]

Like most things politicians force down our throats, there is no plan. Just like solar panels now they have no plan in place.


https://electrek.co/2020/08/24/where-do-solar-panels-go-when-they-die/

And fluorescent screw in bulbs, dim as hell and contain mercury, not good for the landfills.

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[Racket]

If you want/need a car today and not five years from now, the choices are obvious. Especially when it's your money you are spending.

 

[peterson1604]

Ever seen an iron mine? Also disappointing.
I'm not saying lithium mines are great. Just saying that mining of all kinds destroys the surrounding area and environment.

One of the largest lithium mines, Greenbushes AUS:

One of the many iron mines near where I live:

Note the scales I've added.

Fortunately iron mining doesn't pollute the water sources, unfortunately lithium mining does. Just like your previous post there are lots of articles explaining how detrimental to the environment lithium and cobalt mining is. One just has to look at both sides, not be biased towards one.

 

[AzScorpion]

You're exactly right. Just last summer the CA Gov was telling everyone to shut down all high consuming appliances and turn UP your ac during the summer. The grid could not handle the consumption can you imagine when all these EV vehicles are plugged in? I'm sure their solution is to toss another 10-20 TRILLION into their "Green new deal" and everything will magically be fixed. Yes we need to update our infrastructure but coming out from this pandemic where we've already printed enough money to bankrupt 4 generations from now!

 

[AzScorpion]

Here's an article from last summer. Yes it was in the midst of a heat wave but what will they do if/when they are totally green?

This quote is so hypocritical.

Newsom pointed to California’s shift to renewable resources as part of the reason for the supply shortage. Shutting down polluting gas power plants has created gaps in the state’s energy supply, he said.

While the state remains committed to a greener future, Newsom said, “We cannot sacrifice reliability” and promised that officials would be “much more aggressive … in making sure that is the case.”

The California ISO issued the Flex Alert on Sunday, saying there is insufficient energy to meet high consumer demand during the record-breaking heatwave. To minimize the need for controlled outages, residents were asked to use air conditioning early in the day and set
thermostats at 78 in the afternoon and evening hours, while avoiding the use of major appliances between the hours of 3 p.m. and 10 p.m.

https://deadline.com/2020/08/califo...-outages-in-its-history-this-week-1203015664/


We here in AZ saw the same but for a lot longer period. We had 53 days where temps were 110+ and we never lost power once. Why, because we have the Palo Verde Nuclear power plant here.

But the heat didn't end when summer officially came to a close at the end of August. We kept breaking records, adding to our triple-digit tally well into September and October. We're finally done with triple digits for the year, but check out where we ended up.

The most days Phoenix has ever seen of triple-digit heat in one year was in 1989 when we had 143 days. That was, until 2020, when we saw 145 days that hot.

When it comes to days of 110 degrees or higher, it wasn't such a slim margin. The previous record was 33 days in a year, and we saw 53 days that hot this year.

This next one will really blow you away. The previous record for the most days of 115 degrees or higher was seven days. We DOUBLED that this year with 14 days of intense heat of 115 degrees or higher. The hottest day this summer in Phoenix was 118 degrees on July 30.

https://www.azfamily.com/weather/ex...cle_3a508344-13d0-11eb-a00d-13e0739c15c3.html

 

[FoD]

Naww that's where the govt plans on dumping all our EV batteries next. It's part of their "Green new deal" package. ?

I think Neptune is green (colored) if I remember right...

 

[CB750F]

I'd really like a PHEV Ranger. Having 50km using the battery would be 80/90%
of the time. Using the 2.3 ICE would be pulling the travel trailer.
Things are changing real fast, I hope for the better.
We are still polluting at an alarming rate.
We are still using too much natural resources at an alarming rate.
These arguments were ongoing 40 yrs ago & here we are, I see no difference.
One day the tipping point will be hit. Most likely, it already did.

On that note, things are finally opening up here, ?

 

[CHS]

The same that happens to wind turbine blades. They'll dig a big hole and bury them. /s :7
In all seriousness, people that think batteries are better for the environment aren't looking at the long term of mining materials and then disposing of spent batteries. Not to mention that a large
portion (if not most) of the energy to generate electricity is from fossil fuels.

Also the Chinese own most of the mining rights.

 

[TechnicallyReal]

Why do people act as if they're going to wake up and there will suddenly be millions of EVs pulling from the grid? So sensational!

 

[Hounddog409]

Like everything they're are two sides to a debate. I respect your opinion and would like to point out the following:

True, electricity largely comes from fossil fuels. However this is changing. Over the lifetime of an ev vehicle the amount of emissions generated by the making of the batteries to the electricity required is still far far below that produced by gas engines. They're multiple articles from respected sources stating this.

Being in the mining industry I can tell you that the technology behind battery recycling is ever improving and will continue to do so lessening the impact of having to mine for the rare earth components etc. Etc.

Oil...the world has been "owned' by oil producing countries for much too long. Where does all the used oil go? Gas engines? Used oil filters etc etc. The operating costs involved in an ev vs. gas are also well documented online. No comparison.

Everything we own has some sort of mineral mined from the earth, from plastics, steel, wood etc. Everything bhas a carbon footprint of some degree.

I understand and appreciate their will always be the gas vs. ev debate. These are just a few of my points of view.

Ultimately, looking at the hp and TORQUE, how could one not want those numbers.

Cheers

My job is engineering control systems for power plants. I have worked in the power generation industry for 30 years.

The fact is, there is no viable replacement today for coal and natural gas. Wind and solar CANNOT be the sole source to the grid.

This is fact.

You can argue and discuss all you want. The technology does not exists today to fully replace fossil fuels.

Not to mention a wind turbine will never last long enough or generate enough power to make up the emissions used to manufacture and install these units. Also the blades have a limited life span and cannot be recycled. They are buried. This will become a problem really soon.

Also, there is not enough land space in the country to hold all the wind turbines that would be required to power the grid. Literally not enough space.

Same with electric cars. Yes the car can be recycled. Thr batteries are the problem. Again, a EV will never replace the emissions/carbon it takes to build the car and batteries.

I'm all for new technology and producing the cleanest power. Fossil is still the best in the game. The technology to replace fossil does not exist yet.

 

[DeathRanger]

My job is engineering control systems for power plants. I have worked in the power generation industry for 30 years.

The fact is, there is no viable replacement today for coal and natural gas. Wind and solar CANNOT be the sole source to the grid.

This is fact.

You can argue and discuss all you want. The technology does not exists today to fully replace fossil fuels.

Not to mention a wind turbine will never last long enough or generate enough power to make up the emissions used to manufacture and install these units. Also the blades have a limited life span and cannot be recycled. They are buried. This will become a problem really soon.

Also, there is not enough land space in the country to hold all the wind turbines that would be required to power the grid. Literally not enough space.

Same with electric cars. Yes the car can be recycled. Thr batteries are the problem. Again, a EV will never replace the emissions/carbon it takes to build the car and batteries.

I'm all for new technology and producing the cleanest power. Fossil is still the best in the game. The technology to replace fossil does not exist yet.

Everything used in the oil and gas industry has a limited lifespan, drill bits, piping, tubing, all the refining machines, every truck, tire and air freshener. With gas and coal even the fuel you use just disappears after using it.

Wind and Sun light will always exist. and continue to be created until the sun dies in a few billion years.

Gas and coal will run out unless someone starts breeding dinosaurs, then smooshes them real tight for a few million years.

 

[D Fresh]

I have no dog in this fight. As a gearhead I love IC Engines. I also love the perforformance capabilities of EVs and accept that one day we'll all be driving them.


However...

This is really about rallying against a technology they see as a threat to their ability to continue to drive ICE vehicles and continue to buy vehicles that, lets face it, we don't really need.

This is what's wrong with the the US. I'm sick of some pinko commie telling me what I need and what I don't need.

If we were all to sustain our lives by what is needed we'd all live in 10 x 10 cells with 3 meals a day of grub worms, a shitter in the corner, and 2 hours of yard time.

You buy what you want, I'll buy what I want, and we can both just mind our own fucking business, right?

PREACH!

My job is engineering control systems for power plants. I have worked in the power generation industry for 30 years.

The fact is, there is no viable replacement today for coal and natural gas. Wind and solar CANNOT be the sole source to the grid.

This is fact.

You can argue and discuss all you want. The technology does not exists today to fully replace fossil fuels.

Not to mention a wind turbine will never last long enough or generate enough power to make up the emissions used to manufacture and install these units. Also the blades have a limited life span and cannot be recycled. They are buried. This will become a problem really soon.

Also, there is not enough land space in the country to hold all the wind turbines that would be required to power the grid. Literally not enough space.

Same with electric cars. Yes the car can be recycled. Thr batteries are the problem. Again, a EV will never replace the emissions/carbon it takes to build the car and batteries.

I'm all for new technology and producing the cleanest power. Fossil is still the best in the game. The technology to replace fossil does not exist yet.

Nuclear.

 

[TechnicallyReal]

My job is engineering control systems for power plants. I have worked in the power generation industry for 30 years.

The fact is, there is no viable replacement today for coal and natural gas. Wind and solar CANNOT be the sole source to the grid.

This is fact.

You can argue and discuss all you want. The technology does not exists today to fully replace fossil fuels.

Not to mention a wind turbine will never last long enough or generate enough power to make up the emissions used to manufacture and install these units. Also the blades have a limited life span and cannot be recycled. They are buried. This will become a problem really soon.

Also, there is not enough land space in the country to hold all the wind turbines that would be required to power the grid. Literally not enough space.

Same with electric cars. Yes the car can be recycled. Thr batteries are the problem. Again, a EV will never replace the emissions/carbon it takes to build the car and batteries.

I'm all for new technology and producing the cleanest power. Fossil is still the best in the game. The technology to replace fossil does not exist yet.

But is anyone arguing that fossil fuels are going to be replaced overnight, or that the green technologies we have access to now have peaked?

It's a transition. We're in a transition. The loudest arguments I keep hearing are implying that we can't just flip a switch overnight.. but no one is suggesting that we can. Not even the government.

There are entire countries running from green energy alone or nearly alone. While it's true that what works in those countries may not work in the USA, it should be a clear sign that it will one day be possible.

It's like those who argue the loudest against EVs and green tech are saying "we shouldn't even try to do better". Nice outlook! Pretty weak, if you ask me.

 

[TechnicallyReal]

Another hot take - I think there are a lot of incorrect assumptions about how the government is approaching this.

I'm not in a position to really say so myself since I don't want to read all of the paperwork (I'm a bad person), but from what I have read (I did get sucked into it once), much of what the critics say the government should do instead, is exactly what they are doing. Which is usually the case with these things, but people like to make their assumptions based on little information and then get angry, and then vent and spread that anger, all for nothing (or for very little). It's tiring.

 

[DeathRanger]

Another hot take - I think there are a lot of incorrect assumptions about how the government is approaching this.

I'm not in a position to really say so myself since I don't want to read all of the paperwork (I'm a bad person), but from what I have read (I did get sucked into it once), much of what the critics say the government should do instead, is exactly what they are doing. Which is usually the case with these things, but people like to make their assumptions based on little information and then get angry, and then vent and spread that anger, all for nothing (or for very little). It's tiring.

The Senate is working on further credits and rebates for EV purchases. This would be great if it can go thru. up to $12,500 credit for buying an EV is a great deal.
https://www.teslarati.com/electric-vehicle-tax-credit-12500-what-we-know-so-far/

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