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Did you get around with the installation? Id like to do this too if it worked
VAMike
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This remains one of the biggest first world problems I've seen on the site. 
A USB A->C cable has been plugged into my truck since the first day it came home.
A USB A->C cable has been plugged into my truck since the first day it came home.
TechnicallyReal
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USB A is sometimes not enough to actually charge a phone while its being used for other things like Android Auto / CarPlay. USB C, assuming Ford did it right, can fast chargeThis remains one of the biggest first world problems I've seen on the site.
VAMike
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There are no power guarantees for "usb-c" either--all it is, is a differently shaped plug. If you really mean "usb-pd", you aren't going to get that with a simple form factor swap. (Again, the fact that you can't run multiple high draw devices on the existing usb ports has nothing to do with the plug shape--it's perfectly possible to have higher powered usb-a ports, Ford just didn't implement that.)
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If the EU charger mandate goes through USB-C will be the norm in the future.
VAMike
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usb-c will almost certainly be the norm in the future with or without the EU, which still has nothing to do with the ports in a gen 5 ranger.
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Just changing the port to USB-C does not mean it will provide more power. If the power from USB hub ports is dependent on the power provided from the APIM over the USB cable swapping the HUB will likely not result in an more power output since the USB connections between the APIM and hub are pre-USB-C standards. But, I do see on the Sync with touchscreen (I'm not sure Sync without Touch was an option here, but is in the electrical diagrams book for the Ranger) there is a power and ground from the APIM to the USB hub (Connector C2809A) run about parallel to the USB cable, not sure its purpose or the power it can provide. But there is a chance that it can be for providing additional power to the hub for connected devices and maybe a USB-C would also provide more power. Or, maybe it's just for illumination.
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TechnicallyReal
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I'm referring to USB-PD. I haven't checked to see if the hub includes more than a simple A to C change. Are you saying that you have verified that that's all they've done?
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I would say if you want USB-C PD and data pass through something like they may be an option:
Amazon.com: Coolgear USB 3.1 PD Injector USB C PD 2.0 Gen1/2 B Host to USB 3.1 PD Device : Electronics
Amazon.com: Coolgear USB 3.1 PD Injector USB C PD 2.0 Gen1/2 B Host to USB 3.1 PD Device : Electronics
VAMike
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I haven't seen any reports that the module provides USB-PD, and I don't see why Ford would have a run a high-wattage circuit to a location where they weren't planning to use it. I've seen some third party modules that pull in additional power but the reports on those were sketchy. I've also seen some people report that they got fast charge on the ford module when most people reported that they did not. I've seen no reports that describe the specific technical capabilities of any of the parts, or schematics explaining the power requirements, etc. One thing to note is that "fast charge" isn't a specific thing, and different phones have different requirements. Some phones will also start out saying "fast charge" then realize they aren't getting enough power and drop down. Unless someone specifies the standards and voltages the module supports* all the talk about "usb-c" and "fast charge" is just a waste of words.
* USB-PD has standards for anything from 5V to 48V, and from .5A to 5A. Different phones have different requirements. Some phones might be able to fast charge if the port only provides 5V power, some might require 9V or 15V power to fast charge. The utter lack of documentation is typical of automobile manufacturers, they really just aren't interested in dealing with consumer electronics.
TechnicallyReal
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I know all of this and was simply stating that it's not just about the shape of the plug to some of us. If I were ready to replace mine then I would do the research to see if Ford's providing USB-PD and which voltages and whatnot. I don't know. It doesn't sound like you know. So why the tone? It doesn't change what people want. One of the reasons for wanting USB-C is faster charging. Does Ford actually provide that? Probably not. But it's still a reason for wanting it.
VAMike
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Then it's best to specify what the actual requirement is, that's more likely to generate useful answers.
If the requirement is "25W USB-PD", then say that rather than having yet another thread on the internet about ford usb-c modules with literally no information about what the module actually does and a few pages of "yes it works"/"no it doesn't work" that don't even specify what kind of phone they think it does/doesn't work with (completely leaving aside cable issues). I've dug around on this and managed to turn up zero technical documents. As best I can tell the Ford module just changes the shape of the port, no PD. Some third party modules might do PD (great marketing like "provides 5A!" [5A OF WHAT?!?!?]) or they might do QC or some other proprietary standard or they might make your phone and/or truck burst into flames. Nonetheless, if the question is "can you put a USB-C port on a ranger" the answer is yes--but it's a mostly pointless question that you might as well skip and get to the real question (for which the answer is ?‍
). If someone manages to dig out some actual technical specs I'd be interested in seeing them. (Although I've personally decided the right answer is wireless anyway.)
Porpoise Hork
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Here is the Type-C port hub part number. (LB5Z-19A387-B) It is for the smaller hub interface. I have not been able to locate the larger one yet. I'm sure someone will be able to locate it and see if it works.
no1warr1or
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Did anyone ever find a drop in replacement? I need to swap my 2021 usb ports out as a particular magsafe like cable I want is only available with usbc on both ends. I don't care about the charge rates, PD or any of that, just need the physical connector changed
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