HenryMac
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They're awesome with a few mod's...I see you never drove a Pinto...... I've still got my Pinto.
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They're awesome with a few mod's...I see you never drove a Pinto...... I've still got my Pinto.
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It's what Mossy Toyota charged my sister for her 2008 Prius. The battery was done after I believe it was seven years or so and the battery by itself was around $7,000 plus all the labor to tear the car apart to replace it.A Prius battery pack over $10,000? Where did you get that from?
The fact is that your Pinto is a horrible example to compare to a Prius or any modern economy car today. Night and day difference between reliability, safely, quality... You are still trying to compare highway mileage, that most people never see on a daily basis. What does the Pinto get in the city. It is probably not too much better than the Ranger. I can't think of a single car for the 70's or 80's that is better than cars today.The I see you've never driven a Pinto.
Fact is, I was only using it as an example that 45 years ago there were cars which consistently got 30 MPG without even fuel injection or overdrive.
" Doing better" is not only about fuel economy....
I have a 3900 pound truck which can consistently deliver high twenties on fuel, and when needed it can tow 7500 pounds or haul nearly a ton.
That's "doing better" for my needs.
Prius is a popular car and is very fuel efficient , Toyota in general has a large enough following that they don't need my endorsement. (Good thing for them)
I'm sure it was the right choice for your needs and your money.
I will never own another Toyota or any hybrid for a daily driver, not even a hybrid from another manufacturer.
Luckily I won't have to... I've still got my Pinto.![]()
From google searches, it looks like the best option for replacing a hybrid battery is going to private shop. I think the only time you got to the dealer is if it is under warranty.It's what Mossy Toyota charged my sister for her 2008 Prius. The battery was done after I believe it was seven years or so and the battery by itself was around $7,000 plus all the labor to tear the car apart to replace it.
My wife just bought a 2020 Escape Hybrid a couple months ago and it's a wonderful car. The hybrid system is amazing! You don't even notice what it's doing and it's doing so many things and bouncing around between modes all the time. She's consistently getting upper 40s mpg on her work commute, and even been able to do more electric miles than not sometimes with a bit of practice. And in the end, the Hybrid model was only $1200 more than a non-hybrid model. So with it essentially getting double the mileage, that'll pay for itself in no time.The fact is that your Pinto is a horrible example to compare to a Prius or any modern economy car today. Night and day difference between reliability, safely, quality... You are still trying to compare highway mileage, that most people never see on a daily basis. What does the Pinto get in the city. It is probably not too much better than the Ranger. I can't think of a single car for the 70's or 80's that is better than cars today.
I don't own a hybrid either. After seeing how well my sons car is working out for him, I would seriously consider one. The next thing we are going to see is hybrids becoming a lot more performance oriented. I was very intrigued with the specs on the Rav4 Prime hybrid that is coming out this summer. I would not be surprised if Ford follows suit with something similar for the Escape.
What exactly is the qualification you are measuring? Carbon footprint? The Pinto wins. Overall cost consideration, as in cost to operate vehicle per mile? The Pinto wins.The fact is that your Pinto is a horrible example to compare to a Prius or any modern economy car today. Night and day difference between reliability, safely, quality... You are still trying to compare highway mileage, that most people never see on a daily basis. What does the Pinto get in the city. It is probably not too much better than the Ranger. I can't think of a single car for the 70's or 80's that is better than cars today.
I don't own a hybrid either. After seeing how well my sons car is working out for him, I would seriously consider one. The next thing we are going to see is hybrids becoming a lot more performance oriented. I was very intrigued with the specs on the Rav4 Prime hybrid that is coming out this summer. I would not be surprised if Ford follows suit with something similar for the Escape.
Different era altogether , so mileage was the only comparison made.The fact is that your Pinto is a horrible example to compare to a Prius or any modern economy car today. Night and day difference between reliability, safely, quality... You are still trying to compare highway mileage, that most people never see on a daily basis. What does the Pinto get in the city. It is probably not too much better than the Ranger. I can't think of a single car for the 70's or 80's that is better than cars today.
I don't own a hybrid either. After seeing how well my sons car is working out for him, I would seriously consider one. The next thing we are going to see is hybrids becoming a lot more performance oriented. I was very intrigued with the specs on the Rav4 Prime hybrid that is coming out this summer. I would not be surprised if Ford follows suit with something similar for the Escape.
How doe a 137" wheelbase fit with "meant for true off roading"?I don’t get the gladiator hate. They look okay like the ranger but look way better once you put some work into them. The Gladiator is meant for true off roading and cheaper moding then most trucks. I may look at one in a few years as long as the price dips.
First of all, you may want to have the safety discussion with Floyd. On cost, the Pinto at $700 will win every day, as long as it runs. Carbon footprint, the Prius would kill it.What exactly is the qualification you are measuring? Carbon footprint? The Pinto wins. Overall cost consideration, as in cost to operate vehicle per mile? The Pinto wins.
Realistically if you expect a 50 year old car to be as safe as a modern one, you are on a fools errand.
Yea right Floyd. $11 in unscheduled maintenance for the first 100k miles. About the only way this is believable is (a) you have a wider definition of unscheduled maintenance than everybody else,; (b) you had a donor car for parts; and/or (c) you were getting parts for free from somewhere.Different era altogether , so mileage was the only comparison made.
As for reliability, how does eleven dollars in unscheduled maintenance in the first 100,000 miles sound? I was never able to get less than 28MPG (manual trans) even when blowing away Supras at stoplights.
Ford has already built several Hybrids. none of which will ever find a place in my garage.
dont forget, the carbon foot print doesnt just cover the gas it burns on a daily.Carbon footprint, the Prius would kill it.
Prius would certainly kill it if it ran into the rear end of the PintoFirst of all, you may want to have the safety discussion with Floyd. On cost, the Pinto at $700 will win every day, as long as it runs. Carbon footprint, the Prius would kill it.
An electric choke thermostat failed around 74K on my 1977 pinto sedan, $11 for the part.Yea right Floyd. $11 in unscheduled maintenance for the first 100k miles. About the only way this is believable is (a) you have a wider definition of unscheduled maintenance than everybody else,; (b) you had a donor car for parts; and/or (c) you were getting parts for free from somewhere.
Back in that era, the Supra actually had slightly better performance than the Pinto, but both were downright slow by todays standards. The Pinto did have its light weight going for it though. If you were trouncing Supra's my guess is you were not running the stock Pinto motor. It looks like your profile says you have a v8 in the Pinto. The Pinto with a 5.0 HO FI would certainly leave all but the 4th generation Supra Twin-Turbo in the dust. The other motor that would have been a lot of fun in the Pinto was the Mustang SVO turbo 4.