Maximum Expected HP from tuning Ranger?

[SuperSteve]

Hey everyone,

First time posting but I’m having a hard time deciding where to spend my money in making our trucks as quick / reliable as possible. I’m sort of on the fence between selling my Ranger and buying a raptor or keeping it and cashing in on that power to weight ratio we can achieve with our trucks.

Ive read a ton of threads about tuning and so on. But what I’m wondering about in this thread is what whp numbers are y’all putting up with bolt ons (exhaust, tune, intake, maybe intercooler). I thought about going with the turbo upgrade that stage3 has but I’m not necessarily ready to go into the hole and ruining reliability if I can help it.
I’ve seen the dyno thread but am surprised at some of the numbers, I see rousch has their rangers pushing some numbers in the 300s and was curious if we could achieve the same thing without the rousch stickers.
Thanks in advance!

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[Frenchy]

Hey everyone,

First time posting but I’m having a hard time deciding where to spend my money in making our trucks as quick / reliable as possible. I’m sort of on the fence between selling my Ranger and buying a raptor or keeping it and cashing in on that power to weight ratio we can achieve with our trucks.

Ive read a ton of threads about tuning and so on. But what I’m wondering about in this thread is what whp numbers are y’all putting up with bolt ons (exhaust, tune, intake, maybe intercooler). I thought about going with the turbo upgrade that stage3 has but I’m not necessarily ready to go into the hole and ruining reliability if I can help it.
I’ve seen the dyno thread but am surprised at some of the numbers, I see rousch has their rangers pushing some numbers in the 300s and was curious if we could achieve the same thing without the rousch stickers.
Thanks in advance!

I have the Livernois Tow tune on my truck. I definitely have more power than stock and I'm sure a bit more than Rousch and Ford Performance. I also still have the reliability one would hope for. How long have I had the tune? Just over a year and a half. How many miles? Just over 30,000 so far and I haven't had issues. Why a tow tune over a performance tune? Well woth most performance tunes it isnt ok to tow and with a truck chances are you will tow from time to time. Maybe not every day but it will happen(I have towed with it and it does well).

Now something you need to be aware of is that not all tunes are considered reliable. There are two companies I do not recommend going with. Those two are 5Star and Berger Motorsports. Why you ask? Well for 5Star unfortunately they do not use the Barometric compensation in thier tunes. How do I know this? For those that live in the extreme elevation like the Colorado Rockies anf constantly deal with 8,000ft and above there is a completely separate tune. For a proper tune that wouldnt be necessary. As for Berger Motorsports it is a piggyback type unit. What is a piggyback unit? Simply a liar. Thats it. So for example you truck is at 16 lbs of boost but the piggyback module is telling the the PCM it only has 12(for example). When the PCM sees that it commands more boost. Now that it does this how can you say that it is considered safe? The PCM isnt able to calculate it accurately so it isnt really safe to run.

Are there other tunes like that that could result in worse results? Possible but it is unknown to me.

Thats my input on this. Just take the time to find what you think fits you best.

 

[CJBax]

Hey everyone,

First time posting but I’m having a hard time deciding where to spend my money in making our trucks as quick / reliable as possible. I’m sort of on the fence between selling my Ranger and buying a raptor or keeping it and cashing in on that power to weight ratio we can achieve with our trucks.

Ive read a ton of threads about tuning and so on. But what I’m wondering about in this thread is what whp numbers are y’all putting up with bolt ons (exhaust, tune, intake, maybe intercooler). I thought about going with the turbo upgrade that stage3 has but I’m not necessarily ready to go into the hole and ruining reliability if I can help it.
I’ve seen the dyno thread but am surprised at some of the numbers, I see rousch has their rangers pushing some numbers in the 300s and was curious if we could achieve the same thing without the rousch stickers.
Thanks in advance!

Hi

300whp is not at all difficult with just a tune on these trucks (no tuning is without some level of risk of engine failure). However, they are trucks, fairly quick trucks yes, but the Ranger is NOT a sports car. If you want big power then buy big power, then go from there with mods. In other words, if your highest priority is whp/tq numbers then start with a bigger engine, like the 2.7/3.5 EB engines. Small turbo engines are everywhere and in everything these days and MANY of the small turbo 4 cars these days are capable of very impressive 0-60 numbers. Not to dis the Ranger but it just isn't a super car nor a sports car, so if you are chasing big numbers you will likely be disappointed even after a tune.

Regards.

 

[OFC Ranger]

I have the Livernois Tow tune on my truck. I definitely have more power than stock and I'm sure a bit more than Rousch and Ford Performance. I also still have the reliability one would hope for. How long have I had the tune? Just over a year and a half. How many miles? Just over 30,000 so far and I haven't had issues. Why a tow tune over a performance tune? Well woth most performance tunes it isnt ok to tow and with a truck chances are you will tow from time to time. Maybe not every day but it will happen(I have towed with it and it does well).

Now something you need to be aware of is that not all tunes are considered reliable. There are two companies I do not recommend going with. Those two are 5Star and Berger Motorsports. Why you ask? Well for 5Star unfortunately they do not use the Barometric compensation in thier tunes. How do I know this? For those that live in the extreme elevation like the Colorado Rockies anf constantly deal with 8,000ft and above there is a completely separate tune. For a proper tune that wouldnt be necessary. As for Berger Motorsports it is a piggyback type unit. What is a piggyback unit? Simply a liar. Thats it. So for example you truck is at 16 lbs of boost but the piggyback module is telling the the PCM it only has 12(for example). When the PCM sees that it commands more boost. Now that it does this how can you say that it is considered safe? The PCM isnt able to calculate it accurately so it isnt really safe to run.

Are there other tunes like that that could result in worse results? Possible but it is unknown to me.

Thats my input on this. Just take the time to find what you think fits you best.

Why do you insist upon perpetuating your lies? To the OP take anything Frenchy says with a grain of salt. He has been told multiple times that 5star fixed elevation issues a long long time ago.

 

[McLeadslinger]

Dude!! Stop spreading misinformation about a forum sponsor!!!!

I have the Livernois Tow tune on my truck. I definitely have more power than stock and I'm sure a bit more than Rousch and Ford Performance. I also still have the reliability one would hope for. How long have I had the tune? Just over a year and a half. How many miles? Just over 30,000 so far and I haven't had issues. Why a tow tune over a performance tune? Well woth most performance tunes it isnt ok to tow and with a truck chances are you will tow from time to time. Maybe not every day but it will happen(I have towed with it and it does well).

Now something you need to be aware of is that not all tunes are considered reliable. There are two companies I do not recommend going with. Those two are 5Star and Berger Motorsports. Why you ask? Well for 5Star unfortunately they do not use the Barometric compensation in thier tunes. How do I know this? For those that live in the extreme elevation like the Colorado Rockies anf constantly deal with 8,000ft and above there is a completely separate tune. For a proper tune that wouldnt be necessary. As for Berger Motorsports it is a piggyback type unit. What is a piggyback unit? Simply a liar. Thats it. So for example you truck is at 16 lbs of boost but the piggyback module is telling the the PCM it only has 12(for example). When the PCM sees that it commands more boost. Now that it does this how can you say that it is considered safe? The PCM isnt able to calculate it accurately so it isnt really safe to run.

Are there other tunes like that that could result in worse results? Possible but it is unknown to me.

Thats my input on this. Just take the time to find what you think fits you best.

 

[AzScorpion]

Why do you insist upon perpetuating your lies? To the OP take anything Frenchy says with a grain of salt. He has been told multiple times that 5star fixed elevation issues a long long time ago.

I know nothing about 5Star tunes but instead of calling Fenchy (or anyone else) a liar could you post some proof it's been fixed? Looks like he's saying the same thing that they have a separate tune for high elevation. It would be nice to back up what you're saying because otherwise you're doing the same as what you're accusing him of doing.

@5startuning could put this whole discussion to bed by chiming in and either confirming or denying this too. It would help everyone (myself included) if we knew this info.

 

[Dgc333]

There are a lot of folks on the Ecoboost Mustang forum that are making big HP with the 2.3, in excess of 500WHP. The issue with the 2.3s is the block becomes the limiting factor. About 400WHP is the limit where you can make reasonablely safe power with a stock block. After that and a bad tank of gas could cause detonation that scatters the block across the pavement. Big numbers requires a stronger block and rods.

The simple bolt ons; tune, exhaust, intake will get you to the high 200s maybe low 300s for WHP. Those numbers would put you around 350 HP at the crank. To go beyond that you need a tuner that you can work with; you data log and they revise the tune based on what the data logs say. That won't be the FP or Rouch tunes.

 

[D Fresh]

@5startuning could put this whole discussion to bed by chiming in and either confirming or denying this too. It would help everyone (myself included) if we knew this info.

They might answer you, with the new title, but I doubt it.

I tried the same thing on the "I think I threw a rod.." thread. They never posted in that thread. And they seem to ghost a lot of people here judging by the threads in their section.

These, are the reasons I wouldn't touch them. Add in their questionable "tuning" methods and personally, I'll steer clear of them.

 

[Frenchy]

They might answer you, with the new title, but I doubt it.

I tried the same thing on the "I think I threw a rod.." thread. They never posted in that thread. And they seem to ghost a lot of people here judging by the threads in their section.

These, are the reasons I wouldn't touch them. Add in their questionable "tuning" methods and personally, I'll steer clear of them.

That part I was not aware of but it's definitely some good information

 

[D Fresh]

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There aren't many Rangers running around with proper custom tunes. The best place to look is the EB Mustangs.

Full bolt on, e85, 10spd Mustangs seem to put about 385 whp.

 

[AzScorpion]

They might answer you, with the new title, but I doubt it.

I tried the same thing on the "I think I threw a rod.." thread. They never posted in that thread. And they seem to ghost a lot of people here judging by the threads in their section.

These, are the reasons I wouldn't touch them. Add in their questionable "tuning" methods and personally, I'll steer clear of them.

I do remember you asking that in that thread. Them being a sponsor I just feel they should at least chime in and tell everyone so we all know. I can see why they didn't in the "I think I threw a rod.." thread because of the issue there and the back and forth between Ford for the warranty. Hopefully they do and puts this question to rest once in for all.

 

[D Fresh]

I do remember you asking that in that thread. Them being a sponsor I just feel they should at least chime in and tell everyone so we all know. I can see why they didn't in the "I think I threw a rod.." thread because of the issue there and the back and forth between Ford for the warranty. Hopefully they do and puts this question to rest once in for all.

Just to clarify, when I called them out I specifically asked questions that were very general in nature. They had nothing to do with the specifics of the blown up truck.

 

[AzScorpion]

Just to clarify, when I called them out I specifically asked questions that were very general in nature. They had nothing to do with the specifics of the blown up truck.

I know I remember most of it and it had nothing to do with it blowing up. My guess is they were being cautious because what they say here could be used against them if there was a case between them and Ford over the warranty.

 

[McLeadslinger]

If I ever have issues with my 5 star tunes I can literally drive to their shop. They aren’t far from me.

There are always going to people who have bad luck with their cars/trucks. I’ve tuned my own stuff in the past as well as mail order and dyno tunes. With that being said, we shouldn’t turn one misfortune into some type of epidemic when the issue that keeps getting parroted has been resolved. Maybe the individuals spreading misinformation should reach out to 5 star directly like I DID to get clarification instead of making assumptions.

 

[Dr. Zaius]

Come on guys, you know you can't inject Logic into an Emotional debate...

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