LTX M/S vs. T/A K02

[MrBirdman330]

I suggest the Falken Wildpeak HT/02. Its a very aggressive highway tire that should be called an AT. I ran them on my Grand Cherokee and they performed well in winter conditions. Also won't break the bank like Michelin or BFG's.

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[Frenchy]

I suggest the Falken Wildpeak HT/02. Its a very aggressive highway tire that should be called an AT. I ran them on my Grand Cherokee and they performed well in winter conditions. Also won't break the bank like Michelin or BFG's.

Those are only good for roughly 5,000 miles. After that the wet traction must suck. How did I determine this you ask? Look at the sipes. They are not deep at all. The Bridgestone Dueler Revo 3 that I ran one time was the same way.....

 

[MrBirdman330]

Those are only good for roughly 5,000 miles. After that the wet traction must suck. How did I determine this you ask? Look at the sipes. They are not deep at all. The Bridgestone Dueler Revo 3 that I ran one time was the same way.....

Where did you get that information? I had almost 15k miles on them when I traded my Jeep in, no road noise they had over 5k miles on them before winter conditions hit and no issues getting around at all in deep snow and slushy snow. So where did you get that information?

Who doesn't know the Dueler Revo sucks? I sold more original Destination ATs and ran two sets of those as they were 10 times the tire the Dueler Revo ever was. Firestone's dumbest mistake was killing the original Destination AT.

 

[Frenchy]

Where did you get that information? I had almost 15k miles on them when I traded my Jeep in, no road noise they had over 5k miles on them before winter conditions hit and no issues getting around at all in deep snow and slushy snow. So where did you get that information?

Who doesn't know the Dueler Revo sucks? I sold more original Destination ATs and ran two sets of those as they were 10 times the tire the Dueler Revo ever was. Firestone's dumbest mistake was killing the original Destination AT.

It's already proven with tire technology that Sipes in the tread are what help with wet traction alone. When it comes to winter traction the sipes also help. That said the compound will make a difference too. Also no matter what you think, thanks to the tread pattern of those Falkens they will always be a HWY tire. Those will get trashed in the Off-road.

 

[MrBirdman330]

It's already proven with tire technology that Sipes in the tread are what help with wet traction alone. When it comes to winter traction the sipes also help. That said the compound will make a difference too. Also no matter what you think, thanks to the tread pattern of those Falkens they will always be a HWY tire. Those will get trashed in the Off-road.

No kidding its why studless winter tires are heavily siped in the first place to add bite. Second you don't know anything about tires, there's a reason factory off road trucks like Raptors, ZR2 the TRD and Trex have LT designated tires, which the Destination XT was designed specifically for those trucks and not P designated tires. LT designated tires which are C rated and higher have a thicker harder tread compound to withstand off road abuse. P designated AT will get chewed up going off road because of the softer rubber compound. So if one is serious about going off road and doesn't mind getting their kidneys busted on the highway running stiff tires and off road suspension then yeah you run LT designated tires. You go P designated if you're not going hard off road and sticking to a gravel track to go to the camping grounds.

 

[Frenchy]

No kidding its why studless winter tires are heavily siped in the first place to add bite. Second you don't know anything about tires, there's a reason factory off road trucks like Raptors, ZR2 the TRD and Trex have LT designated tires, which the Destination XT was designed specifically for those trucks and not P designated tires. LT designated tires which are C rated and higher have a thicker harder tread compound to withstand off road abuse. P designated AT will get chewed up going off road because of the softer rubber compound. So if one is serious about going off road and doesn't mind getting their kidneys busted on the highway running stiff tires and off road suspension then yeah you run LT designated tires. You go P designated if you're not going hard off road and sticking to a gravel track to go to the camping grounds.

Yep that right. I'm a certified Automotive and Forklift Mechanic that knows nothing about tires. Or at least that is what you want to think. I have done enough Off-road driving with LT and P rated tires. Guess what? I did just fine with both doing the heavy stuff and didn't tear up the tires. It's called being smart.

Also going back to the Falkens you have. Once the sipes are gone the wet traction is lowered quite a bit regardless what you think. This applies to any tire that does not have deep sipes in the tread. So far the only tires I have seen(from what I remember) that have sipes going down the entire trad block are the Firestone Destination XT, Firestone Destination LE2 and LE3, and the Michelin LTX M&S. It is possible that other tires may have such, I just haven't seen it.

 

[MrBirdman330]

Mechanic, I worked for Bridgestone the company that also owns Firestone, Primewell, and Dayton tires. I know more about tires, tread design specifics, 3D siping, compounds for commercial and passenger tires. I know why Bridgestone's flagship AT the Dueler Revo is a failure because it has to do with the tread compound. I also know know quite a bit more I can't talk about. When you look at every tire their siping ends at certain specified tread levels which is roughly 4/32nds. Minimum tire legal rating is 2/32nds there is a reason that 4/32nds is chosen, has to do with winter.

You've done enough "driving", tell that to the engineers who design these trucks for off road or the engineers who design these tires, I hope they don't split their sides laughing at you. Because as a good repair shop owner friend of mine said being certified just means a piece of paper that says you "know something" and I'm using a clean term for that. Being smart? There is no being smart when you decide to play the line, that's plain stupid. So again you have really spouted nothing but nonsense and that you don't know anything about tires. Particularly I like how you claim siping wears off after 5k miles funny the Dynapro AT-Ms that came with my Ranger have 13k miles and have their siping the Wildpeak HT/02s I had on my Jeep still looked brand new with 15k miles on them at time of trade in, so again please tell me where do you get this information.

 

[lazynorse]

Let’s not get so worked up fellas, nobody called anyone’s mom a whore. Yet.

 

[JJG]

I put on the LTX’s last March, replacing the OE Bridgestone's and the ride, wet traction and overall handling improved 100%. I noticed a total difference how the truck rode before I even left the lot of the tire dealer. Originally wanted the General grabbers but they were on backorder forever so I went with the Michelins. Always have been a Michelin guy but really wanted the OWL offered on the Generals. The performance of the LTX’s overshadow the looks and Im very pleased!

 

[Motorpsychology]

I've heard good things about the Cooper AT3 4S as a good tire for mostly street driving and occasional light off-roading.

10-4. they are number one on my short list, although I have no experience with them. #2 being Falken Wildpeaks: 90% pavement 9.7% A & B (min maint.) gravel, .3% seasonal river rock stream bed, no towing.

 

[Fitzmotor]

Another vote for Michelin here, had some LTX's on the wife's Expedition and was moving to snow country, I asked a good tire shop friend "what would be the best tires to replace these LTX's? they dont look like they would be any good in snow, I want a more aggressive set like the General ATX's my truck has" he just started laughing, he said "you need a set of these LTX's on your truck" sure enough, the Michelin's were better than the General's, the LTX's are the best snow tires I have ever driven on, especially under braking.

 

[Frenchy]

Another vote for Michelin here, had some LTX's on the wife's Expedition and was moving to snow country, I asked a good tire shop friend "what would be the best tires to replace these LTX's? they dont look like they would be any good in snow, I want a more aggressive set like the General ATX's my truck has" he just started laughing, he said "you need a set of these LTX's on your truck" sure enough, the Michelin's were better than the General's, the LTX's are the best snow tires I have ever driven on, especially under braking.

For an All-Season tire the LTX is hard to beat. Years ago when I was in Michigan all my parents vehicles had them and did great all year long. Had a set of General Grabber ATX on a 1992 Pathfinder and learned real quick that they are not meant for snow what so ever(pictures below show results). One thing I learned was not all All-Terrain tires are built to deal with snow.

 

[Fitzmotor]

Oh damn, that looks like it hurt, I hope the vehicle is the only thing that got damaged!

And yes, the wife's Expedition ran circles around my F150 with the Michelins.

 

[Frenchy]

Oh damn, that looks like it hurt, I hope the vehicle is the only thing that got damaged!

And yes, the wife's Expedition ran circles around my F150 with the Michelins.

Yeah, surprisingly enough I came out of that without a scratch. As for All-Terrain tires I have found the Firestone Destination XT to do very well in the snow compared to other All-Terrain Tires. That includes the KO2. How it would compare to the LTX? The LTX I suspect may do better with street and snow performance as the XT would obviously have the Off-road category.

 

[gwhalin]

We have Falken Wildpeaks AT3Ws on both of our trucks and have nothing but good things to say about them. Have been great on dry pavement, wet pavement, snow/ice and off pavement.

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