Life After Covid-19

[JeffM]

" I also wonder how our medical providers could be so inept to be running out of PPE a very short 2-1/2 weeks into this? It's flu season and the same gear should be used. Somethings not adding up IMHO"

Now this makes absolutely zero sense. Trying to blame hospitals for not keeping more than 2 1/2 weeks supplies on hand??? They have years of experience dealing with seasonal problems like the flu and know exactly how much they need, they have run through two weeks worth of PPE in just a day or two, perhaps if the government had shared our intelligence analysis that said in early January this was going to be really bad in the US they could have gotten a jump on supplies. But as late as March 1 our government was still saying it's all contained, nothing to worry about, be down to zero new infections in a week.

Honestly don't know any successdull business that keeps more than a week or two of supplies on hand. Do you think Ford has a month worth of engines sitting around, or body panels for your Ranger?

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[Tracy Bowman]

I'm of the group that feels there will be multiple waves of this before its finally beat.
people will jump from the gate when it first dies down, but it will flare up again.....and again.

people will be slow to realize that this needs time to get through, and then next years mutation will arrive and.....we get a harsh reminder

things will have to change. we will have to adapt.

One thing for sure...no cruises for me ever.
Princess and Norwegian cruise lines will start scuttling ships to the ocean floor to try and get insurance money this fall.
Airlines will pick up again though. they will raise prices by hundreds of dollars to recover their losses and justify it because they'll hand you a sani-wipe and tell you that the planes now have microbial hepa filters installed for our safety, as well as new textile materials that repel and kill microbes. but in reality, they fucking lied.
Chinese technology will thrive because they'll use child labor (result of the quarantines) to make billions of little robots that can track through your home using infrared analysis to spot, identify and neutralize a foreign virus germ on any surface with fogging spray nozzles. If it senses a high concentration, it will self immolate and burn your house and the contents to the ground.
the taxi and uber services will turn to mini pickup trucks with trailers to isolate the driver from the potentially infected passengers. inside the trailers cabin area, you will find one of those chinese robots, dutifully going about its task. Some flaming trailers may be seen littering highways near the airports.

I hope not, Ranger Pride, but you may be right.

 

[HenryMac]

I was reading today on Fox news that Dolly Parton believes all this is a message from above. I tend to agree with her.

I'm a big Dolly Parton fan. But in this case, for those that believe in "above"... why don't you think it came from "below"?

Personally, I follow the Occam's razor principal. It's the result of a human, eating a raw bat, in Wuhan China. Do stupid shit.. win stupid prizes.

 

[Floyd]

I'm a big Dolly Parton fan. But in this case, for those that believe in "above"... why don't you think it came from "below"?

Personally, I follow the Occam's razor principal. It's the result of a human, eating a raw bat, in Wuhan China. Do stupid shit.. win stupid prizes.

I'm a Christian and I agree with you in principle.

 

[JJG]

" I also wonder how our medical providers could be so inept to be running out of PPE a very short 2-1/2 weeks into this? It's flu season and the same gear should be used. Somethings not adding up IMHO"

Now this makes absolutely zero sense. Trying to blame hospitals for not keeping more than 2 1/2 weeks supplies on hand??? They have years of experience dealing with seasonal problems like the flu and know exactly how much they need, they have run through two weeks worth of PPE in just a day or two, perhaps if the government had shared our intelligence analysis that said in early January this was going to be really bad in the US they could have gotten a jump on supplies. But as late as March 1 our government was still saying it's all contained, nothing to worry about, be down to zero new infections in a week.

Honestly don't know any successdull business that keeps more than a week or two of supplies on hand. Do you think Ford has a month worth of engines sitting around, or body panels for your Ranger?

And to add to your response, corona is not the flu!! It is a viral pneumonia. Symptoms feel “flu like” but outcomes are far different. And hospitals dont have issues like this during flu season, because the common flu is far less contagious and far less deadly. So there would be no reason to have 1000’s of PPE on hand. The patient turnover does not justify this.

And yes, Ford is a just in time manufacturer. And they have no more than a few days supply of any type of inventory on hand.

 

[Doc]

And to add to your response, corona is not the flu!! It is a viral pneumonia. Symptoms feel “flu like” but outcomes are far different. And hospitals dont have issues like this during flu season, because the common flu is far less contagious and far less deadly. So there would be no reason to have 1000’s of PPE on hand. The patient turnover does not justify this.

And yes, Ford is a just in time manufacturer. And they have no more than a few days supply of any type of inventory on hand.

Flu causes viral pnuemonia also, Viral pneumonia is a “Viral” infection in the lungs. Influenza is a virus as well is Covid. Having to deal with many viral bilateral pneumonia’s since the 1970s , these patients are very hard to ventilate as the excess water or fluid in the lungs make them very stiff and non compliant (ARDS)making O2 and Co2 exchange impossible. Regardless of what type of virus, they rarely survive once both lungs are infected. Even with the intervention of extracorporeal circulation, the toxins secreted by the virus causes multi organ system failure and are fatal .... as far as communicability..we have Flu Vaccine, we have none yet for Covid..making it more contagious..You can’t say it’s a “Viral pneumonia” as most people affected resolve within Two Weeks without pneumonia complications...
Regards

 

[JJG]

Flu causes viral pnuemonia also, Viral pneumonia is a “Viral” infection in the lungs. Influenza is a virus as well is Covid. Having to deal with many viral bilateral pneumonia’s since the 1970s , these patients are very hard to ventilate as the excess water or fluid in the lungs make them very stiff and non compliant (ARDS)making O2 and Co2 exchange impossible. Regardless of what type of virus, they rarely survive once both lungs are infected. Even with the intervention of extracorporeal circulation, the toxins secreted by the virus causes multi organ system failure and are fatal .... as far as communicability..we have Flu Vaccine, we have none yet for Covid..making it more contagious..You can’t say it’s a “Viral pneumonia” as most people affected resolve within Two Weeks without pneumonia complications...
Regards

This is a virus that causes pneumonia that causes fluid in lung tissue, which causes your lungs not to function due to the air sacs not being able to function and clear the fluid. With the flu, the bacteria that causes lung inflammation and fluid is treatable by antibiotics.

 

[Doc]

This is a virus that causes pneumonia that causes fluid in lung tissue, which causes your lungs not to function due to the air sacs not being able to function and clear the fluid. With the flu, the bacteria that causes lung inflammation and fluid is treatable by antibiotics.

Dead Wrong Influenza is is A Virus untreatable with antibiotics. All virus can cause pneumonia, where did you go to medical school Doctor...Bacterial Pneumonia is well treated with antibiotics. Ribofarin and others has been successful in treating respiraratory syncytial virus,as an adjunct.


“Antibiotics — Antibiotics are NOT useful for treating viral illnesses such as influenza. Antibiotics should only be used if there is a bacterial complication of the flusuch as bacterial pneumonia, ear infection, or sinusitis. Antibiotics can cause side effects and lead to development of antibiotic resistance.Nov”

 

[JJG]

Dead Wrong Influenza is is A Virus untreatable with antibiotics. All virus can cause pneumonia, where did you go to medical school Doctor...Bacterial Pneumonia is well treated with antibiotics. Riboflavin and others has been successful i treating respiraratory syncytial virus as adjunct therapy...but not cure..air sacs are callred alveoli...go read wiki for a while..

I stated the bacteria that causes Flu related lung inflammation (pneumonia) can be treated with antibiotics. The flu itself can only be treated with anti viral medication.

 

[Doc]

I stated the bacteria that causes Flu related lung inflammation (pneumonia) can be treated with antibiotics. The flu itself can only be treated with anti viral medication.

Bacteria does not cause flu...Influenza VIRUS causes flu.. “you said the bacteria that causes flu related lung inflammation( pneumonia) “...Virus is what’s causing the inflammation and pnuemonia, bacteria is in any case is an over growth. And then the bacterial overgrowth may be treated..

 

[Floyd]

You each sound as knowledgeable as most of the sources I see on the nightly news, and twice as entertaining... problem is , they make policy
Just to be clear, I mean that lightheartedly

 

[KJRR]

getting back on topic...
Just like after 9/11, there will be changes. I see a lot less restaurants in the future. Really, who wants to take the risk of catching something because someone cooking or serving your food is sick. Our grocery stores aren't just short on toilet paper but also meats, cheese, eggs... So many less people eating out means they are at the grocery stores and they aren't stocked for that volume of food going out. Not to mention the farmers markets aren't open.
This could be the final nail in the coffin for traditional malls and the stores that have been struggling. I'm sure many won't open again.
Office buildings will have a drop in rent with many vacancies. The company I work for sent 800 people to work from home and while we will always have a need for some office space, it won't be nearly what it was previously. We have found productivity is actually better the past 2 weeks with people working at home.
I see sports changing but not sure how yet. They generally don't need to audiences for revenue, maybe as new stadiums are built, they are smaller as far as seating capacity. Not sure if anyone has watched iNASCAR but it was pretty entertaining last weekend. Of course that is because we are starved for sports right now but still could be the rise of virtual sports.
Does the trend in moving into crowded cities continue after this? Will anyone want to gather in large crowds or be pack in like sardines anymore?
Curb side deliveries will become more prevalent. NAPA in my area is doing that.
Regardless, there will be opportunities for new business when this is all over with and many will need to find a way to adapt to the changes to survive.

 

[P. A. Schilke]

getting back on topic...
Just like after 9/11, there will be changes. I see a lot less restaurants in the future. Really, who wants to take the risk of catching something because someone cooking or serving your food is sick. Our grocery stores aren't just short on toilet paper but also meats, cheese, eggs... So many less people eating out means they are at the grocery stores and they aren't stocked for that volume of food going out. Not to mention the farmers markets aren't open.
This could be the final nail in the coffin for traditional malls and the stores that have been struggling. I'm sure many won't open again.
Office buildings will have a drop in rent with many vacancies. The company I work for sent 800 people to work from home and while we will always have a need for some office space, it won't be nearly what it was previously. We have found productivity is actually better the past 2 weeks with people working at home.
I see sports changing but not sure how yet. They generally don't need to audiences for revenue, maybe as new stadiums are built, they are smaller as far as seating capacity. Not sure if anyone has watched iNASCAR but it was pretty entertaining last weekend. Of course that is because we are starved for sports right now but still could be the rise of virtual sports.
Does the trend in moving into crowded cities continue after this? Will anyone want to gather in large crowds or be pack in like sardines anymore?
Curb side deliveries will become more prevalent. NAPA in my area is doing that.
Regardless, there will be opportunities for new business when this is all over with and many will need to find a way to adapt to the changes to survive.

Hi KJ,

Ford had an initiative to telecommute way back when and I signed up as part of the HR directive. My boss at the time was furious. So when I had my day to telecommute, he called every half hour as he suspected I was goofing off. Yes, I was in my bunny slippers and unshaven, but so what! I faced him and told him his behavior was due to the fact that that was what he would have done. This is called projection. I told him to see the results of my day and the progress we made on issues of the day. Needless to say the whole telecommute initiative failed as the old school could not trust the telecommuters to do the job. The other factor was that you had to be relatively forward thinking and have a computer and internet connection that would support the initiative, of which few Ford Managers had at that time. Fortunately, times have changed to where this concept is viable.

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

 

[KJRR]

Always love your story's Phil. I'm old school and despite being in IT, I have had to adjust to the work at home thing. If you have someone who goofs off half the day at the office, I'm pretty sure it would be most of the day working at home. Most of our people are call center type work and have numbers to hit so that makes it easier to manage. The IT project type work is a little more difficult but I've learned that as long as the project is getting done on time, I'm not too worried about how much time you are spending on it or when you are working on it. I do miss driving my truck though.

 

[AzScorpion]

To be fair I don't think anyone whether it be the hospitals or the government could be ready for this as we've never seen this before. Going forward I would assume they both will be more prepared for something like this in the future but little to late for rite now.

Another thing I was thinking about last night was how this is going to affect advertising. With so many companies getting decimated right now their adverting budgets I'm sure will get cut big time. This will lead to more layoffs and less tv.radio and internet sponsorship which will then hurt those companies. Hopefully I'm wrong but if anyone here works in that field please chime in as I'm just speculating here.

There's going to be a huge snowball effect in many industries. Companies who can't pay their leases,tenants and homeowners who can't pay their rent,mortgages, utilities,cell phones etc. All this "social distancing" is giving me way to much time to get inside my head which isn't a good thing. lol

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