Installed full Roush Stage 2 today

[Mirage775]

Interesting. I have an extended warranty with the dealership, well through FORD, i wish i didnt buy it but at the time i was reading some horror stories on some rangers and thought hey, i might get a lemon. They did have to change the rear brakes on the red vixen at 7,000mi because piston was sticking. But i want a tune badly. I was wanting to go with FP just because it doesnt void the warrnaty upon getting it installed by ford or ase cert personnel. But i think it would suck downgrading my extended warranty to only 36k, means i waste my money. So for a fact, FP will downgrade any extended warranty? I keep regretting my decision of extending it haha

From the way I understand it is, the 36k mile warranty from Roush or FP isn't the engine, it's for the tune. I would think if something bad is going to happen from the tune, it would happen within 36k miles, if not before. I assume you'd still have your extended engine warranty though? The 36k one is just the tune's warranty, if any of that makes sense?

I too, got the extended 100k mile warranty, from reading the same horror stories, but I'm going to get the Roush tune for my '21, whenever they release it. My truck should meet the years, before the mileage, as I don't drive too far from work and everything is near our house

Just my $.02

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[joseywales]

From the way I understand it is, the 36k mile warranty from Roush or FP isn't the engine, it's for the tune. I would think if something bad is going to happen from the tune, it would happen within 36k miles, if not before. I assume you'd still have your extended engine warranty though? The 36k one is just the tune's warranty, if any of that makes sense?

I too, got the extended 100k mile warranty, from reading the same horror stories, but I'm going to get the Roush tune for my '21, whenever they release it. My truck should meet the years, before the mileage, as I don't drive too far from work and everything is near our house

Just my $.02

Lucky! i wish i didnt have to drive as much as i have to haha ill be hitting the mileage before the years unfortunate as it is....but the bright side.....i get to drive it more haha

 

[mortarman13]

From the way I understand it is, the 36k mile warranty from Roush or FP isn't the engine, it's for the tune. I would think if something bad is going to happen from the tune, it would happen within 36k miles, if not before. I assume you'd still have your extended engine warranty though? The 36k one is just the tune's warranty, if any of that makes sense?

I too, got the extended 100k mile warranty, from reading the same horror stories, but I'm going to get the Roush tune for my '21, whenever they release it. My truck should meet the years, before the mileage, as I don't drive too far from work and everything is near our house

Just my $.02

My only thought here is if the additional power generated blows any gaskets in the engine block.

 

[Frenchy]

Interesting. I have an extended warranty with the dealership, well through FORD, i wish i didnt buy it but at the time i was reading some horror stories on some rangers and thought hey, i might get a lemon. They did have to change the rear brakes on the red vixen at 7,000mi because piston was sticking. But i want a tune badly. I was wanting to go with FP just because it doesnt void the warrnaty upon getting it installed by ford or ase cert personnel. But i think it would suck downgrading my extended warranty to only 36k, means i waste my money. So for a fact, FP will downgrade any extended warranty? I keep regretting my decision of extending it haha

I can't speak for the extended warranty as I don't believe it applies to the extended warranty itself. To my understanding the Ford performance tune only applies to the factory warranty.

 

[joseywales]

I can't speak for the extended warranty as I don't believe it applies to the extended warranty itself. To my understanding the Ford performance tune only applies to the factory warranty.

Oh okay understood! I will end up checking with with FORD company directly and not a dealership. I will update you guys once i get a response. I am sure I am one of very many individuals that would like to know about this

 

[Mirage775]

My only thought here is if the additional power generated blows any gaskets in the engine block.

I wouldn't think it would, as long as you took care of the truck/engine. We just tuned my former (sold last night) Miata with a Honda K24 engine swap a few month ago to a save tune. My tuner bumper it up 55bhp more than it was when it left Acura! Granted, it was a naturally aspirated build, but 55+ more bhp than stock made the engine come to life! A safe tuned boosted engine would just make a little more bhp than that. I believe, like any vehicle, if you don't abuse it, it won't let you down

 

[OFC Ranger]

That's good to know, as I contacted my dealer Monday, with the simple question, if adding some bolt on parts myself, will it void the warranty for the whole engine or just said part? I've gotten bounced around to 5 different people so far and my question still hasn't been answered...

Just got my '21 last Saturday and I'm getting ready to mod it. I told the dealer in the last email, that I'll just go ahead and put the parts on myself, since they all seemed clueless...

I did know about the tuning though and that's fine with me if the dealer or an ASE mechanic does it.

Thanks

A lot of boogeymen will show up in this thread; the simple answer is a dealership cannot void your warranty for unrelated product problems. IE; Installing a cold air in take cannot under any reasonable circumstances be tied to a suspension failure.

With that said, Ford can fight anything they want, so it all comes down to lawyers.

As far as tuners go, the engines in our trucks are seriously retarded down in capability. The plus side is this engine is in other models and ours actually got some beefier upgrades from the factory.

If I am not mistaken, this is the same motor that was in the Focus RS, which produced considerably more power from the factory.

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[Dgc333]

Attached is the Ford Performance warranty document. I would imagine Rouch has a similar document on their web page.

Basically if you have a failure that can be attributed to the tune the FP warranty covers the cost of the repairs for a 3/36 time frame. Your 5/60 powertrain warranty stays in effect for any failure that is not attributed to the tune. A failure that is attributed to the tune could be denied but in the 6 years I have been driving Ecoboost vehicles I have never heard of anyone having a powertrain warranty claim denied because of the FP tune.

 

[Frenchy]

Attached is the Ford Performance warranty document. I would imagine Rouch has a similar document on their web page.

Basically if you have a failure that can be attributed to the tune the FP warranty covers the cost of the repairs for a 3/36 time frame. Your 5/60 powertrain warranty stays in effect for any failure that is not attributed to the tune. A failure that is attributed to the tune could be denied but in the 6 years I have been driving Ecoboost vehicles I have never heard of anyone having a powertrain warranty claim denied because of the FP tune.

As stated before the factory powertrain warranty gets downgraded. Like it or not it is true. I have already read the document and I have talked with both Ford and Ford performance. This is not a lie it is the truth

 

[Dgc333]

As stated before the factory powertrain warranty gets downgraded. Like it or not it is true. I have already read the document and I have talked with both Ford and Ford performance. This is not a lie it is the truth

Unless the people you talked to were the legal council for FP and Ford Motor Co. it is just someone's opinion. The warranty document is legal and it does not say that. If they were to blanket down grade the warranty it would need to be stated as such.

Now could they say the tune caused an engine failure and deny the claim, sure and it would fall onto your shoulders to prove otherwise. But they would be hard pressed to say the tune caused a transmission failure when the same transmission is used behind engines that make 150+ more power than the tuned 2.3.

 

[Frenchy]

Unless the people you talked to were the legal council for FP and Ford Motor Co. it is just someone's opinion. The warranty document is legal and it does not say that. If they were to blanket down grade the warranty it would need to be stated as such.

Now could they say the tune caused an engine failure and deny the claim, sure and it would fall onto your shoulders to prove otherwise. But they would be hard pressed to say the tune caused a transmission failure when the same transmission is used behind engines that make 150+ more power than the tuned 2.3.

I will say it again and you need to understand that I have spoke with Ford and Ford performance and they have explained to me that it down grades the factory powertrain warranty. Nothing says you have to like what I'm telling you. You just have to understand that it is the facts. I also found this out while working at a dealership. I didn't just talk to some random manager at the dealership I worked at. I took my time to find out. Don't get me wrong it's still nice that you do get to keep a factory warranty it just sucks that it gets downgraded. Also understand that Ford is a pretty big company. They can do whatever the hell they feel like doing. Even if that means finding out all the ranger owners that decided to get a tune that's not backed by Ford whatsoever and avoid all the warranties just because they could. Will they do it? Who knows but I don't think they will. Let's hope for the best

 

[evoaire]

Mind you, I have not read the doc. I read too many docs at work.
But I do see where if ford warranties for 5/60 on train, and Rousch tune warranties for 3/36, any train issues after 3/36 Ford may deny, could say its the tune, and thereby you’ll have no coverage, or simply a downgrade. Ford could based on numbers deny train issues on tuned rangers. How many non tuned rangers blow trans/engines. I mean sometimes it’s gotta be near impossible to determine exactly all points of failure. Therefor, during these obscure claims, I would think the numbers come into play.

 

[joseywales]

Yeah that is what im afraid of happening. Even if they did not void the extended warranty, after 36/36k miles and in the event of a failure, they will more than likely say it was the tune, leaving you alone, cold, broken hearted, Rangerless and poorer and a voided warranty haha

I can see why they wouldnt want to honor the extended warranty too though, its literally adding more strain to the powertrain etc why would they want to still cover a motor/trans that is higher risk.

I do think it sucks though. I wish they would keep the extended warranty. Otherwise why would you go with FP over other brands? if they only cover for 36/36kmi other companies do the same like roush. If the warranty is voided, i really would just go Livernoise and get those big boy gains

 

[Frenchy]

Yeah that is what im afraid of happening. Even if they did not void the extended warranty, after 36/36k miles and in the event of a failure, they will more than likely say it was the tune, leaving you alone, cold, broken hearted, Rangerless and poorer and a voided warranty haha

I can see why they wouldnt want to honor the extended warranty too though, its literally adding more strain to the powertrain etc why would they want to still cover a motor/trans that is higher risk.

I do think it sucks though. I wish they would keep the extended warranty. Otherwise why would you go with FP over other brands? if they only cover for 36/36kmi other companies do the same like roush. If the warranty is voided, i really would just go Livernoise and get those big boy gains

To each thier own in all honesty. I went with the Livernois tune at 17,500 and have close to 49,000 now and have not had an issue. Mind you I run the Tow tune so instead of max power it focuses on efficiency and if you ever decide you want to tow you dont have to swap tunes like those who have the performance tune running.

 

[joseywales]

Not sure if anyone else has considered getting the full stage 2 treatment done to their Ranger but pulled the trigger and had mine installed today. The sound is amazing, and the tune makes a HUGE difference. Had Universally Modified Performance do the upgrade in Sterling VA, and they definitely knew their sh*t. Adding a video of my first full send after they installed it if anyone wants to know what it sounds like.

I just watched the video again with my good sound system, it does sound great man! love your rig setup too. Very nice truck broski

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