Hauling 3/4 a yard of dirt with Fox 2.0 with level

[ben8jam]

There were some questions around hauling max capacity with upgraded suspension. Just wanted to write that I’ve done two loads so far of 3/4 of a yard of dirt and not run into any problems.

They estimated that it weighs about 2000lbs per yard and so I paid for a full yard but asked they only fill 3/4 of it. So about 1500-1700lbs

truck has the 2.0 front and rear ford performance suspension. Plus ford tune. And 265/70/17 tires.

I ran the tires at 45psi to feel a bit safer but you could still see sidewall flex.

Even with max near load there was still flex in the rear suspension. Nothing blew up on either run which is good.

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[P. A. Schilke]

There were some questions around hauling max capacity with upgraded suspension. Just wanted to write that I’ve done two loads so far of 3/4 of a yard of dirt and not run into any problems.

They estimated that it weighs about 2000lbs per yard and so I paid for a full yard but asked they only fill 3/4 of it. So about 1500-1700lbs

truck has the 2.0 front and rear ford performance suspension. Plus ford tune. And 265/70/17 tires.

I ran the tires at 45psi to feel a bit safer but you could still see sidewall flex.

Even with max near load there was still flex in the rear suspension. Nothing blew up on either run which is good.

Hi Ben,

Your Fox level does not take in account for the GAWR. Gross Axle Weight Rating, and the potential rear axle wheel bearings. I bet you do not know if you exceeded GAWR. Good you bumped up tires... Most people do not...

Best,
Phil

 

[ben8jam]

Hi Ben,

Your Fox level does not take in account for the GAWR. Gross Axle Weight Rating, and the potential rear axle wheel bearings. I bet you do not know if you exceeded GAWR. Good you bumped up tires... Most people do not...

Best,
Phil

Not sure I understood that, new springs affects wheel bearings?

Honestly I don’t even know what the max payload is anymore. Thr marketing says thr xlt 4x4 max payload is 1800. But thr sticker in the door says not to exceed 1450 total cargo…??

 

[Frenchy]

I see a problem...... The carolina squat......

Get some leaf springs and maybe it won't squat like that when you load it?

I know you like the leved look but this is a perfect example of what I mean by Leveling kits not being a good thing.

 

[ben8jam]

I’m lost on this thread now.

crashed tractors. Gawr. And non-level-lovers.

(And btw I leveled it bc I plan to off-road and just happened to have to get dirt for yard…)

 

[P. A. Schilke]

Not sure I understood that, new springs affects wheel bearings?

Honestly I don’t even know what the max payload is anymore. Thr marketing says thr xlt 4x4 max payload is 1800. But thr sticker in the door says not to exceed 1450 total cargo…??

Hi Ben,

You are not alone in not understanding. The Rear axle has a gross weight rating. It does not matter what shocks, springs are on top of the axle. You can have a million pound rated springs...the axle still at its rating for wheel bearing and ring and pinion rating. Increasing springs does not fix the loading on the axle if it is over capacity of the axle regardless of the fact the springs are heavier duty. The axle becomes the weak link in the chain... Think of it this way...you buy a lawn chair rated at max of 250 lbs person sitting in it. Now you put a thicker web on the chair without changing the chair frame tubing...it is still rated at 250lbs and when a 300lb person sits in it the chair is at risk of failing..

Best,
Phil

 

[Frenchy]

I’m lost on this thread now.

crashed tractors. Gawr. And non-level-lovers.

(And btw I leveled it bc I plan to off-road and just happened to have to get dirt for yard…)

I understand wanting to go Offroad but if you want to do it with little to no issues you are best to lift instead of level your truck. The leveling kit only lifted the rear. A lift kit will lift the entire truck. Get the roght kit(or combination of parts) and you do more than just get clearance. You also get more articulation. Also when you.do load the rear like you just did you have less chance of having the silly squat.

 

[ben8jam]

Hi Ben,

You are not alone in not understanding. The Rear axle has a gross weight rating. It does matter what shocks, springs are on top of the axle. You can have a million pound rated springs...the axle still at its rating for wheel bearing and ring and pinion rating. Increasing springs does not fix the loading on the axle if it is over capacity of the axle regardless of the fact the springs are heavier duty. The axle becomes the weak link in the chain... Think of it this way...you buy a lawn chair rated at max of 250 lbs person sitting in it. Now you put a thicker web on the chair without changing the chair frame tubing...it is still rated at 250lbs and when a 300lb person sits in it the chair is at risk of failing..

Best,
Phil

Ok - so isn't that what the max payload rating is for? I wasn't trying to say the shocks somehow improved the ability to carry more weight. And I guess I miss-read the "max of 1860" as that applies to the 4x2, but the 4x4 is still 1500, which is probably about what I had (maybe a tad over).

Anyway, my point wasn't the shocks were going to improve payload - it was just how it handled with the level 2.0.

 

[ben8jam]

I understand wanting to go Offroad but if you want to do it with little to no issues you are best to lift instead of level your truck. The leveling kit only lifted the rear. A lift kit will lift the entire truck. Get the roght kit(or combination of parts) and you do more than just get clearance. You also get more articulation. Also when you.do load the rear like you just did you have less chance of having the silly squat.

Ok, so the kit replaced all four points of suspension and leveled the FRONT - what do you mean "only lifted the rear" ? The front suspension comes pre-set from Ford with 2" to level out the front.

And are you saying the Ford Performance kit isn't what it claims to be? Very confused here...

https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-18000-RA

 

[Frenchy]

Ok - so isn't that what the max payload rating is for? I wasn't trying to say the shocks somehow improved the ability to carry more weight. And I guess I miss-read the "max of 1860" as that applies to the 4x2, but the 4x4 is still 1500, which is probably about what I had (maybe a tad over).

Anyway, my point wasn't the shocks were going to improve payload - it was just how it handled with the level 2.0.

Another thing with the max payload that many(including myself) ignore is the payload includes passengers and the fuel in the tank. As silly as it sounds it is the truth. Put simple most people usually overload their trucks.

 

[Frenchy]

Ok, so the kit replaced all four points of suspension and leveled the FRONT - what do you mean "only lifted the rear" ? The front suspension comes pre-set from Ford with 2" to level out the front.

And are you saying the Ford Performance kit isn't what it claims to be? Very confused here...

https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-18000-RA

My bad I meant to say only lifted the front.

 

[ben8jam]

Another thing with the max payload that many(including myself) ignore is the payload includes passengers and the fuel in the tank. As silly as it sounds it is the truth. Put simple most people usually overload their trucks.

Ok well, I DID screw up and think the max was 1860, not reading the fine print that's 4x2. I've never had to worry about that before so a little too quick using google.

But knowing that, and knowing that a yard of dirt is 2000 lbs. I got 3/4 of yard which is about 1500 lbs. And maybe a bit more, but i'm going to bet that 1600 isn't going to wreck my tractor (still confused on that post).

 

[Cabose-1]

Long story short
Total pay load is 1752. On my truck.
I added a receiver hitch 60lbs?
Side steps 50lbs?
I am 170lbs
30lbs of receiver and tools and flashlights etc.
So all that subtracted from 1752 is
1442. That is my payload.
I carry a friend the payload goes down.

Well it doesnt go down, i just cant carry as much of whatever i want to carry, because i traded the weight of my work load for my schlepping friend.

Thats how payload works. Everything you add to the truck, takes away from working payload.

Just depends how you use your truck. I like payload so dont care about big tires sliders, orange hooks, black hooks work just the same.....right?????? Or lights and big giant bumpers and winches, put the winch on the trailer. Etc etc...but thats me you do you.

What op i believe was trying to say is, ths shicks helped level his ride and better distribute weight. No it doesnt allow you to carry more weight. He was overloaded but we will all live. I need to change out my shocks.
Drive safe.

 

[OFC Ranger]

Yes you have to factor in that weight ratings are for a truck sitting empty.

In my case I needed to haul some 80lb concrete bags yesterday. I settled on 10 bags (I need 20) because while I don't think my rack/platform/gear is going to put my 4x2 was near the limit, I can't say for sure. Plus I had a full tank of gas and my fat ass in the driver seat.

800lbs + Unknown Current Bed Weight + Gas + Fatty = ????

Best to under load than over load.

 

[DukeCanBuildit]

Thanks for letting us know how your truck performed under load with your suspension upgrade. Plus one to what @OFC Ranger says above. Well, except the fatty part. ?

Keeping a running tally of the weight is standard practice for me when I’m placing orders for lumber or landscaping supplies. If it’s too high, I have it delivered.

You did all the right things - kept the load light when you could have overdone things and aired up. Sure, the arse end squatted down a bit for the two trips you’ve made but nothing failed and your truck looks how you want it to when not hauling dirt. Your level didn’t leave you staring at the sky and things felt fine while driving. (the main point of your post, I think)

So, if you like the levelled stance, haul the occasional load of dirt, and plan on having some off-road fun, you’re set. No need for new leafs or a full lift.

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