Hauling 3/4 a yard of dirt with Fox 2.0 with level

[awd.nv]

Well this thread sure went sideways real fast....

OP, get the point you are making. Ford knows people overload their trucks. Now what I wonder is what level of safety factor Ford uses so I know the True GVWR ? (It is a joke for those wondering)

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[awd.nv]

No disagreements at all. Just seemed to miss the point of his comment. He was happy with how his truck performed with that dirt.

I am no expert but believe me, I explain this to my wife all the time when we tow our travel trailer. She gets mad at me for it but when we can travel up to 75mph (max speed rating of our TT tires), I need to make sure we are loaded safely.

 

[P. A. Schilke]

I get that our trucks can handle some overloading, but I'm sure some knowledgeable minds can attest to the fact that Ford tests our vehicles at a specific weight range.
therefore the designs and ratings are based on those values and determinations.
You're vehicles handling and brakes are very much a big factor in whether its safe to drive or not. Tires also react differently to loaded and non loaded configurations.
Overloaded with dirt , is no different than yanking a too big of a trailer down the highway.
Neither one is ideal if you want it to perform as designed. Especially if you have to react to something unexpected. try braking and avoiding at speed if a kid on a tricycle darts out from the parked cars. bet ya the pucker factor grabbed hold of some seat rails and not just cushions.

Sure, you can get away with it most times, but at some point you wont be so lucky.

Also to note, the police have taken note of accident stats in my home area.
it's not uncommon to find them (including CMV po-po) prowling the main routes to the dumps and the garden centres during spring clean-up, looking for overloaded trucks and trailers, as well as unsecured cargo.

did you know you need to tarp dirt and gravel in many parts? Ask me how I know.

Hi RP,

Well said! This is a curse of Light Truck Engineering....the max haul capacity as customers are woefully inaccurate on the weight in their truck. Many folks fill the bed based on volume not weight.

As we used to say...the customer fills the pickup box to the brim with lead balls or stryofoam balls. We test at a weight above the values we publish to protect for a bit of overload. This overload percentage is Program specific and not published. Some folks try to cheat the published loading numbers as they know we test above these load numbers. It is a risky game and as you pointed out...leaves folks in bad light of the laws if something happens.

Yeah...OP had a feeling of more control with aftermarket shocks, which by the way are little likelyhood of being load carrying as they are a velocity device. His risk is he has no clue how much load he was carrying...it was just a SWAG. He got away with it this time...But....next time???

Best,
Phil

 

[Stevedbvik1]

I get that our trucks can handle some overloading, but I'm sure some knowledgeable minds can attest to the fact that Ford tests our vehicles at a specific weight range.
therefore the designs and ratings are based on those values and determinations.
You're vehicles handling and brakes are very much a big factor in whether its safe to drive or not. Tires also react differently to loaded and non loaded configurations.
Overloaded with dirt , is no different than yanking a too big of a trailer down the highway.
Neither one is ideal if you want it to perform as designed. Especially if you have to react to something unexpected. try braking and avoiding at speed if a kid on a tricycle darts out from the parked cars. bet ya the pucker factor grabbed hold of some seat rails and not just cushions.

Sure, you can get away with it most times, but at some point you wont be so lucky.

Also to note, the police have taken note of accident stats in my home area.
it's not uncommon to find them (including CMV po-po) prowling the main routes to the dumps and the garden centres during spring clean-up, looking for overloaded trucks and trailers, as well as unsecured cargo.

did you know you need to tarp dirt and gravel in many parts? Ask me how I know.

Tarp weight adds to payload, just sayin.

 

[egilbe]

Should be able to physically fit a yard with room to spare in the supercrew. 1 cubic yard=27cubic feet.

I still can't believe marketing is still touting a 61" bed. It's 58.5 inches.

 

[Cabose-1]

I get that our trucks can handle some overloading, but I'm sure some knowledgeable minds can attest to the fact that Ford tests our vehicles at a specific weight range.
therefore the designs and ratings are based on those values and determinations.
You're vehicles handling and brakes are very much a big factor in whether its safe to drive or not. Tires also react differently to loaded and non loaded configurations.
Overloaded with dirt , is no different than yanking a too big of a trailer down the highway.
Neither one is ideal if you want it to perform as designed. Especially if you have to react to something unexpected. try braking and avoiding at speed if a kid on a tricycle darts out from the parked cars. bet ya the pucker factor grabbed hold of some seat rails and not just cushions.

Sure, you can get away with it most times, but at some point you wont be so lucky.

Also to note, the police have taken note of accident stats in my home area.
it's not uncommon to find them (including CMV po-po) prowling the main routes to the dumps and the garden centres during spring clean-up, looking for overloaded trucks and trailers, as well as unsecured cargo.

did you know you need to tarp dirt and gravel in many parts? Ask me how I know.

Sorry dude. I can't resist.




How do you know?

 

[myothercarizahearse]

Sorry dude. I can't resist.




How do you know?

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[ben8jam]

Yeah...OP had a feeling of more control with aftermarket shocks,

um. Op here. I never said that. If anything I was MORE concerned with off-road shocks than stock. That was my entire point of the post.

Please stop putting words in my mouth to prove your rhetoric.

 

[KNI]

Hi RP,

Well said! This is a curse of Light Truck Engineering....the max haul capacity as customers are woefully inaccurate on the weight in their truck. Many folks fill the bed based on volume not weight.

As we used to say...the customer fills the pickup box to the brim with lead balls or stryofoam balls. We test at a weight above the values we publish to protect for a bit of overload. This overload percentage is Program specific and not published. Some folks try to cheat the published loading numbers as they know we test above these load numbers. It is a risky game and as you pointed out...leaves folks in bad light of the laws if something happens.

Yeah...OP had a feeling of more control with aftermarket shocks, which by the way are little likelyhood of being load carrying as they are a velocity device. His risk is he has no clue how much load he was carrying...it was just a SWAG. He got away with it this time...But....next time???

Best,
Phil

Why not put a wheel/axle weight measuring device on the car and distribute the information to dashboard and limit speed to 10mph on overload? You could also throw in hub centric air compressor lines and boost the tire pressure if weight requires it (and would be also good in off-road). Maybe throw in hydraulics and PTO.

These are not even something to invent, as they're pretty normal stuff for non-light trucks. Last time I was working with a CAT it had monitors for everything from gas pedal brake pad temperature to tire wear calculation based on steering angle alignment.

So there's plenty of useful stuff which could be put into these trucks.

 

[chrisakz]

Here in NJ on public roads it is illegal for your vehicle to exceed the GVWR. And as RP said you need a tarp to cover ANY load your hauling technically. They don’t bother passenger vehicles too much but they love getting a hold of commercial vehicles. So the idea that severely overloading is acceptable and having devices to mitigate it on a road going vehicle is redundant IMO.

 

[chrisakz]

Trucks with an 80000 pound GVWR are in a different boat lol

 

[bRaptor]

I still can't believe marketing is still touting a 61" bed. It's 58.5 inches.

Must be another thing they eliminated from the 2021-2022 models.

 

[P. A. Schilke]

um. Op here. I never said that. If anything I was MORE concerned with off-road shocks than stock. That was my entire point of the post.

Please stop putting words in my mouth to prove your rhetoric.

Stop overloading your truck!

 

[THLONE]

If you want to prove that your level kit didnt reduce the load carrying ability of the truck, then weight your load, drive your truck over all kinds of roads, hills, dips ,gravel, curves, etc and then crash the truck. Now you can look at the bump stops, springs, differential oil, frame, etc, and make your claim.

 

[KNI]

but not for under $40K

Axle load sensor (100ton) retail price 200$.. Less than half on bulk and few ton sensor would be even cheaper. About 300$ cost increase if you include a hitch sensor. These things don't cost so much, it's just lack of will.

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