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[AzScorpion]

In my opinion knowing the knowledge of how to drive manual is important, but modern A/T is superior unless you are the top 1% of drivers. However, I will admit that manual adds to the visceral experience of driving. Although… I don’t know about that visceral experience since I am guilty of not knowing how to drive manual. I will learn someday but growing up during my days manual was already going out the door. It’s a shame though, I want to have a manual in my dream Miata in the future, will have to learn a lot more than growing up with it.

For some reason I figured you'd know how to drive a stick. I can see it now, Brandon's first time out and forgetting to shift. ?

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[Floyd]

This is laughable, seriously. From a true Alabama boy who grew up in true farmland Alabama, yeah that was true, once upon a time... it has not been the case for many years. You can pretend all you want that you and a stick can outperform a modern performance auto or DCT, but pretending is all you'll be doing. Modern transmissions can easily handle the up/down shifts needed in these circumstances, and far superior to all but the most expensive professional MT being driven by the best professional drivers in the world. Every auto I have, including modern CVT's, are superior and more fun to drive on winding country roads than any MT I or anyone I know have ever driven. Very few people I know still proclaim that their MT is the end all be all. Interestingly, the folks that I know that refuse to believe that a modern AT could outperform a MT, are all 60+ years old and have never owned a vehicle with a modern performance AT. My dad, who will stay in the Alabama back country till they day he dies, finally admitted that autos her better then manual, after I gave my mom a Subaru Forester with a CVT and 8.7" of ground clearance. I doubt he'll ever get another MT vehicle again. His last two vehicles were a ford ranger MT and a jeep wrangle MT, both rather old though. He drives the Subaru exclusively now.

Yeah , I get it ...anyone that you think doesn't agree with you is an incompetent Luddite.

Fact is I never said that the manual transmission is the "end all be all".
I compared the Ford 10spd as programmed for the street to a well matched manual transmission.
Fun to drive is strictly subjective.
I really like some of the DCTs on the market, but you can keep your CVT??!
BTW; you can pretend all you want that you know how to drive a manual transmission but apparently pretending is all you'll be doing.

Just last weekend I rode a few laps around Autobahn Raceway with a professional driver at the wheel of a well equipped Dodge Charger(automatic) I'm sure he out performed either you or me.

A roadrace car is all about tires, and everything else is there to make the tires work... including a skilled driver.
I once watched a "G" prod Rabbit spank a "GT-1" Camaro at Grattan. even with a 3000ft straightaway. That was skill and preparation over "superior equipment".

 

[CJBax]

Yeah , I get it ...anyone that you think doesn't agree with you is an incompetent Luddite.

Fact is I never said that the manual transmission is the "end all be all".
I compared the Ford 10spd as programmed for the street to a well matched manual transmission.
Fun to drive is strictly subjective.
I really like some of the DCTs on the market, but you can keep your CVT??!
BTW; you can pretend all you want that you know how to drive a manual transmission but apparently pretending is all you'll be doing.

Just last weekend I rode a few laps around Autobahn Raceway with a professional driver at the wheel of a well equipped Dodge Charger(automatic) I'm sure he out performed either you or me.

A roadrace car is all about tires, and everything else is there to make the tires work... including a skilled driver.
I once watched a "G" prod Rabbit spank a "GT-1" Camaro at Grattan. even with a 3000ft straightaway. That was skill and preparation over "superior equipment".

Fair enough and nice bazinga. Though your retort about my MT skills made me giggle. Whatever makes your boat float (yes the same goes my direction lol). Manual vs auto is very subjective and to each their own. And for cvt, factually they have the potential to be superior to any transmission, without exception, especially with flappy paddles. The issue with cvt, as they are currently, is that manufacturers make them suck and it is the consumers fault, entirely. Google it. As it is, factually CVT has a higher performance potential than any other transmission on the market. Also, put your tuned ranger 10 speed or whatever comparable MT you want against an STI. Stock vs stock or tuned vs tuned. Properly implemented a CVT is currently the holy grail of transmissions, bar none. But due to consumer ignorance (marketing, sales volumes, customer satisfaction) manufacturers have severely crippled the potential of cvt's. Also, it has been proven objectively that trail/crawl controll is superior to MT in extreme trail/rock crawling scenarios. Regardless, you're right, AT vs MT is highly subjective.

 

[dondonbabyraptor]

For some reason I figured you'd know how to drive a stick. I can see it now, Brandon's first time out and forgetting to shift. ?

Hahaha basically. “So what’s the drift thing I hear about in manuals….?”

I honestly wish I grew up during the manual days. Would be easier on my wallet and more fun for cheaper vehicles.

 

[AzScorpion]

Hahaha basically. “So what’s the drift thing I hear about in manuals….?”

I honestly wish I grew up during the manual days. Would be easier on my wallet and more fun for cheaper vehicles.

They were a lot of fun especially the old muscle cars. Nothing like the sound of a V8 rumble going through the gears.

As far as being easier on the wallet....See picture above. lol Way to easy to burn up a set of tires with one.

 

[dondonbabyraptor]

They were a lot of fun especially the old muscle cars. Nothing like the sound of a V8 rumble going through the gears.

As far as being easier on the wallet....See picture above. lol Way to easy to burn up a set of tires with one.

I’d imagine. Somethings are truly oldies but goodies. Very visceral indeed.

Hah. That’s right. It’s a lot easier to have fun and show off in a manual hehe. I envy those people who rev their engines as a manual not going to lie. Correct me if I am wrong but it has a lot more true power in manual making those noises compared to an automatic in neutral? My engine doesn’t sound mean at all in neutral vs driving.

 

[AzScorpion]

I’d imagine. Somethings are truly oldies but goodies. Very visceral indeed.

Hah. That’s right. It’s a lot easier to have fun and show off in a manual hehe. I envy those people who rev their engines as a manual not going to lie. Correct me if I am wrong but it has a lot more true power in manual making those noises compared to an automatic in neutral? My engine doesn’t sound mean at all in neutral vs driving.

No matter how much you mod out a 4cyl it's never going to sound better than a pop corn machine..ie fart can as @HenryMac calls it. lol

My first car was a '70 Dodge Challenger with a 383 and a tunnel ram with dual quads. It was an auto but it was still very nasty sounding but yes you could make it sound a lot meaner going through the gears and holding the clutch in any gear.

BTW I was young and broke back then so that dual quad set up came off after a week of filling the tank every other day. Luckily gas was only around $1.20/gal back then and we mostly cruised around the small town I grew up in.

 

[Raacerx]

Why is it a joke, it does everything you're complaining about? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its crap and who cares about keeping two hands on the wheel?? I learned to drive on a stick and for over 40 years have only driven with one hand on the wheel. It's not like you're driving NHRA where even they drive one handed.

Because they could have spent an extra $100 and made it like every other car out there, where the shifter moves into a slot and allows you to work it like a traditional sequential shifter (a la rally cars, etc).

Shifting requires an actual tactile feel. You yourself just made the point by talking about driving a manual, where there is mechanical tactile feel. Even a paddle shifter is a mechanical operation with feedback. A little button is not. Little buttons on the steering wheel don't work either.

The stupid little + and - shifter that comes on the USA Ranger is a joke, yes. I understand the reasoning behind their decision, it's a truck so why would you need to manual shift, but they put in a Sport mode, so spent the extra money.

Also, everyone should care about having two hands on the wheel. Are you really going to argue that it's not better and safer to have the ability to keep both hands on the wheel mid turn and during performance driving situations...? lol.

I'm literally a road racing and high performance driving instructor. There's a reason why manual transmissions haven't been found in race cars for who knows how long. This is the real world, where we have to turn, and trying to work a loaded steering wheel with one hand will never be as safe as with two, it's physics.

Not sure why you want to argue that aspect of it. My entire point is that I want paddle shifters for my own reasons.

 

[AzScorpion]

Not sure why you want to argue that aspect of it. My entire point is that I want paddle shifters for my own reasons.

If you don't like the "stupid" +/- buttons good for you but most of what your stating is called an OPINION and you want everyone to believe it's FACT!

I'm not arguing about anything except that you bought the wrong damn vehicle and now you're complaining about it!

 

[dondonbabyraptor]

No matter how much you mod out a 4cyl it's never going to sound better than a pop corn machine..ie fart can as @HenryMac calls it. lol

My first car was a '70 Dodge Challenger with a 383 and a tunnel ram with dual quads. It was an auto but it was still very nasty sounding but yes you could make it sound a lot meaner going through the gears and holding the clutch in any gear.

BTW I was young and broke back then so that dual quad set up came off after a week of filling the tank every other day. Luckily gas was only around $1.20/gal back then and we mostly cruised around the small town I grew up in.

Hah, I figured it was our little 4 cylinder not able to make mean sounds in neutral. I won’t bash our 4 little cylinder cause we know it performs just as well as some v6 and v8. Technology has really come ahead.

Man… Dave, I bet that Challenger sounded MEAN

 

[AzScorpion]

Hah, I figured it was our little 4 cylinder not able to make mean sounds in neutral. I won’t bash our 4 little cylinder cause we know it performs just as well as some v6 and v8. Technology has really come ahead.

Man… Dave, I bet that Challenger sounded MEAN

They do sound mean and watching the car shake while it sits from all the HP is a sight to see. One reason I love NHRA is this and we go every year to the Phoenix race over in Chandler which is under an hour away from me.

Even at the Mecum actions you'll get to see and hear them when they get fired up either outside or just before going up on the action block. At Mecum they let you go behind the stage and stand right there where at Barrett Jackson you can't, unless they've changed that at BJ.

It is very impressive what these little 4 bangers can do and when I first looked into the Ranger I was very hesitant on buying it because of this. But after reading a lot about turbos and tunes and then test driving a couple it was an easy choice.

 

[OFC Ranger]

A manual transmission was never about the performance. It was about being an extension of the vehicle. Rowing the gates was just therapeutic.

Throw a manual in a 1998 civic shit-box and all of a sudden its like driving a go-kart on rails and being a race car driver.

I still want to sort of yell, "VTEC JUST KICKED IN YO" if I mash the pedal in my tuned Ranger.

 

[ak47p]

Manuals all about having control... That's why silly men think it's quicker then an auto.. Trust me I hear it all the time in sales. "I want to feel like im in control with a manual" and I thinks to myself.... "That's a deeper rooted issue than having a stick in your hand buddy.".

As for the 2.7L EcoBoost. It's either that or the 3L from the Explorer ST. I'm personally hoping they give the option on XLT/Lariat models for a 2.3 or 2.7, and they toss the 3L into the Raptor. Just a thought.

Either way I don't dig the 6G look tbh. It's going to look like a little bro to the F150 with it's front end. However if it has sunroof, rear powered sliding window, memory seating, and/or heated steering wheel then I may reconsider. .

 

[Trigganometry]

Meanest I ever had was a 427 w/dual quads, half cam with headers, side pipes with glass packs. Gawd that thing would rattle your teeth ?

 

[Floyd]

Fair enough and nice bazinga. Though your retort about my MT skills made me giggle. Whatever makes your boat float (yes the same goes my direction lol). Manual vs auto is very subjective and to each their own. And for cvt, factually they have the potential to be superior to any transmission, without exception, especially with flappy paddles. The issue with cvt, as they are currently, is that manufacturers make them suck and it is the consumers fault, entirely. Google it. As it is, factually CVT has a higher performance potential than any other transmission on the market. Also, put your tuned ranger 10 speed or whatever comparable MT you want against an STI. Stock vs stock or tuned vs tuned. Properly implemented a CVT is currently the holy grail of transmissions, bar none. But due to consumer ignorance (marketing, sales volumes, customer satisfaction) manufacturers have severely crippled the potential of cvt's. Also, it has been proven objectively that trail/crawl controll is superior to MT in extreme trail/rock crawling scenarios. Regardless, you're right, AT vs MT is highly subjective.

I'm being told that the new Maverick's CVT is the best on the market. My son is ordering one this month. I'll not be needing to crawl over rocks anytime soon since pavement has proven objectively to be superior to rocks, as it pertains to transportation. AS for fun... well, we're back to subjective again, ain't we?
We all gotta deal with consumer ignorance (subjective judgement)That's why we all have to buy stuff that just isn't quite right, but the best compromise.
At least we're not forced to buy a "Trabby"(at least not yet!)

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