Diesel Tuner Jailed

[AzScorpion]

That was not my experience, for sure.
Hunting for a parking spot and finding none when youre getting near the end of allowed driving hours, sometimes sleeping on exit ramps or random wide spots on back roads.
Pooping in public restrooms that you'd never let your family members go near in a million years.
Truckstop showers that MIGHT have had someone wipe down since the last dri er used it, washing with washcloths you find hair embedded and drying with towels one generation removed from sandpaper.
Eating sandwiches you made from stuff in the truck for days on end because you've "got to go" and dont have time to stop and have normal people food.
Showing up on time for your pick up or delivery appointment only to find drivers ahead of you that didnt show up on time for their appointments and are putting EVERYONE behind...which sucks all the leeway time you might have had for your next trip to rest and relax your driving a bit.
Finding when you do get your turn to be loaded or unloaded the clerk attending to you is pissed at the world because HE is also now behind because of those late dri ers and is gonna cop an attitude with you because of them.
Smelling like diesel no matter how many times you wash your clothes...oh, and having to wash your clothes in the truckstop laundry room is ALWAYS a treat.
Just to name a few things not shown on TV or in the movies.

That's a hell of a life and there's not many will to do it and I appreciate all those who do! I don't think many understand how important truckers are to our country and without them everything would come to a complete halt. When we travel I usually stop at Love's for gas and always see truckers in the main rest rooms doing a quick wash n go in the sinks. Not a life I'd wanna live but God bless those who do it!

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[got3fords]

That's a hell of a life and there's not many will to do it and I appreciate all those who do! I don't think many understand how important truckers are to our country and without them everything would come to a complete halt. When we travel I usually stop at Love's for gas and always see truckers in the main rest rooms doing a quick wash n go in the sinks. Not a life I'd wanna live but God bless those who do it!

This!

 

[Trustable]

I’m not here to debate but my 2022 l2501 diesel with no emissions is for sure burning cleaner than a similar tractor from 20+ years ago, I specifically got a tractor under 26hp because really I’m not working the tractor hard enough where it wouldn’t need to regen on a bigger machine. I can tell you the only time I see soot is when I first cold start (max .5 seconds) and I stall it out by using it as a dozer to push trees over.

I think the technology with regen and def has come a long way since it first started but it needs work still. Because as much as some may not want to admit - better mpg is better for the environment, because you use less fuel. The same goes for those def and regen systems, they are better for the environment than nothing at all. If they can figure out how to strike a good balance of environmental health, mpg, and reliability, it will be great! Diesels are a very attractive option, Europe and Australia have way more options for small diesel engines than we do.

 

[got3fords]

I’m not here to debate but my 2022 l2501 diesel with no emissions is for sure burning cleaner than a similar tractor from 20+ years ago, I specifically got a tractor under 26hp because really I’m not working the tractor hard enough where it wouldn’t need to regen on a bigger machine. I can tell you the only time I see soot is when I first cold start (max .5 seconds) and I stall it out by using it as a dozer to push trees over.

I think the technology with regen and def has come a long way since it first started but it needs work still. Because as much as some may not want to admit - better mpg is better for the environment, because you use less fuel. The same goes for those def and regen systems, they are better for the environment than nothing at all. If they can figure out how to strike a good balance of environmental health, mpg, and reliability, it will be great! Diesels are a very attractive option, Europe and Australia have way more options for small diesel engines than we do.

According to #Rp930, you get better fuel milage at the expense of more carcinogenic emissions. Still can't wrap my brain around that. We went back and forth a little before he told me to pack sand and told him to get some ice cream.

 

[Rp930]

According to #Rp930, you get better fuel milage at the expense of more carcinogenic emissions. Still can't wrap my brain around that. We went back and forth a little before he told me to pack sand and told him to get some ice cream.

Apparently too much for you. Ice cream has been great though. Do a little research. It’s not that hard.

 

[got3fords]

Apparently too much for you. Ice cream has been great though. Do a little research. It’s not that hard.

No, you prove your point with a link or two (or three). Logic prevents me from wasting time on this.

 

[Trustable]

According to #Rp930, you get better fuel milage at the expense of more carcinogenic emissions. Still can't wrap my brain around that. We went back and forth a little before he told me to pack sand and told him to get some ice cream.

My assumption would be (on a MODERN, not black smoke tuned) that it would be less emissions because you would use less fuel. I would like to see a study done that compares three of the same vehicles driven by the same person for 3 quarters of a year, one modern diesel without any emissions, one modern diesel with the burn off cycle, and one with the burn off and DEF. They could measure fuel economy, maintenance, cost, and emissions over the quarter. That way we could see how much better having emissions is and if it’s really worth it for your average driver.

I think Scania? Scana? has an engine that is tier 4 final and doesn’t even use def that goes in semi trucks so it can be done without DEF. I would love to know where all that crap goes when they have to clean those systems though, after watching a few videos of them being washed out it looks like one of the tailings pond from a uranium mine. I would also care more about emissions if we started using nuclear power, but instead they would rather create wind and solar farms that wreck the environment space wise and manufacturing wise.

 

[Cmar]

When our local Rangers here went to Euro 5 from Euro 4 in 2016 the 3.2 diesels gained a DPF all models) and Add Blue SCR (Selected catalytic Reduction) on the Everest Wagon version ( because they were classed as cars - not commercial vehicles). At that time the EPA average mileage stickers on the windscreen of new cars did not change and there were a rash of complaints to consumer affairs because the new vehicles did not achieve anything like that much. The issue it seems is that when a DPF burn is necessary, the ECM injects extra fuel on the exhaust stroke which raises the temperature of the exhaust to start the burn off cycle. City cars it seems had lots of regen cycles, and therefore used lots of extra fuel. Country cars not so bad.

My 2015 model was one of the very last built without a DPF and I can easily get 8.0 L/100 km (about 30 US MPG) when steady highway cruising at 100 /110 Kph. Later models with the same engine struggle to get 10 L/100 Km.
However I must say, that having owned a few diesels over the years this one, and the Hyundai Santa Fe one I had previously are by far the cleanest burning diesels I've ever owned.
Diesel oil normally goes black within about 10 minutes of changing it, this although dark, is still clean at 7,500 Km oil changes. The old Nissan diesel I used to own would run out oil that looked and smelled like bitumen at 5,000 Km changes, and would stain your fingers for days!

 

[Jason B]

No, you prove your point with a link or two (or three). Logic prevents me from wasting time on this.

My way of thinking of it is, but I can't prove it.
If adding equipment lowers your milage AND lowers harmful emissions
Then removing said equipment increases your milage AND increases emissions.

 

[Trustable]

My way of thinking of it is, but I can't prove it.
If adding equipment lowers your milage AND lowers harmful emissions
Then removing said equipment increases your milage AND increases emissions.

Increasing mileage = less fuel burned = less total emissions.

Not saying your wrong or right, just another way to look at it.

 

[Rp930]

“Diesel engines with emissions equipment get lower mileage because DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) regeneration uses extra fuel to burn off soot, and complex systems like EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) and SCR (Selective Catalytic Reduction) can reduce overall efficiency. These systems add restrictions to the exhaust, increasing backpressure, and require additional energy and resources, like DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid) and fuel for regeneration cycles. “

 

[Rp930]

“Diesel engines with emissions equipment get lower mileage because DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) regeneration uses extra fuel to burn off soot, and complex systems like EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) and SCR (Selective Catalytic Reduction) can reduce overall efficiency. These systems add restrictions to the exhaust, increasing backpressure, and require additional energy and resources, like DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid) and fuel for regeneration cycles. “

Why sad? Do you like lung cancer?

 

[Chris M]

Why sad? Do you like lung cancer?

No, I don't.

I also dont like having the government get in it's own way in the trying to make things more "clean" at the expense of fuel efficiency...so those that are running diesel engines are forced to buy and use more fuel to do things they used to be able to do more inexpensively previously. In my personal experience as an owner-operator trucker, fuel was far and away my biggest overhead expense and I didnt have one of the fancy engines that needed additives.

So that's why the sad face. Will that suffice for an explanation?

 

[Cmar]

I agree with what they were trying to achieve - in principal. The problem is all these add ons only really work as designed when the engine is new. Once it has a few miles piled on they not only loose effectiveness but actually begin to make things worse.

Look up what science fiction author Robert Heinlein says about cars and the 3 stages of technology in "Space Family Stone" it has to be the best explanation of what is going on here I have ever seen. "a whole pile of contraptions each designed to fix the shortcomings of the one before it and therefore achieving somewhat satisfactory performance at the expense of extreme complexity" Heinlein was an engineer in real life and his observations and dry wit on things mechanical is always amusing.

eg; diesel EGR ends up clogging the intake manifold and valves with black tarry crap caused by soot particles from the exhaust mixing with oil vapor from the crankcase vent valve.

DPF's when used for short runs - like city delivery vans, clog quickly, and are forever doing regen cycles, eventually becoming so clogged with ash they have to be replaced at vast expense. Not to mention if you have ever sat behind a DPF doing a regen, I challenge that what comes out must be at least as harmful as the original soot.

SCR systems seem to have endless issues on some vehicles with the exhaust injector failing from heat or clogging with urea crystals, which causes the whole vehicle to go into limp mode. This has happened on occasion in the outback - stranding people in a potentially dangerous situation in summer.

 

[Colo_Ranger]

Interesting to finally hear his side. He's been very silent on it and, given the link that was posted here earlier, the propaganda machine is hard at work.

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