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I came across this article and thought I'd post it up as motor oil is the life-blood of any engine. Fun fact - both engines were run for 500,000 simulated miles. Enjoy: https://www.ford-trucks.com/article...=202496&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=content
I watch for synthetic oil to go on special up here in Canada. works out to almost half price or 32 bucks for five litres. Of course the engine takse 5.7 litres so i always buy four jugs. I figure, what the hell right, twin turbo, stressed to the max 4 cylinder, -20 degrees winter mornings ...go for it
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how come?
If you use it (I do not), haven't you wondered with all those start/stop cycles on a regular basis, how much raw fuel gets dumped into the cylinders every time, and how much lube is washed away ???
In some way/shape/form it has to affect the oil and how it lubes the engine.
 

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If you use it (I do not), haven't you wondered with all those start/stop cycles on a regular basis, how much raw fuel gets dumped into the cylinders every time, and how much lube is washed away ???
In some way/shape/form it has to affect the oil and how it lubes the engine.
Start/stop has been much enhanced from yrs back, good info in this article. I don't use it but would if it didn't require using Ford's bms .

https://blog.bestride.com/research/...pstart-technology-wear-out-engine-components/
 

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Start/stop has been much enhanced from yrs back, good info in this article. I don't use it but would if it didn't require using Ford's bms .

https://blog.bestride.com/research/...pstart-technology-wear-out-engine-components/
I'm sure it has improved.....but I'm so old school that I can't help but think that all the start/stop/restart cycles do more harm than good.....double that when dealing with a cold engine where oil hasn't had a chance to warm up properly.
All those years we were told about dumping raw fuel into the cylinders did nothing but wash the lube from the cyl walls and dilute it.
Old school still sticks with me....first thing I do is hit the tow/haul which disables it.
 


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What's the use in having an engine go 500,000 miles, when the trans will blow at 90K?
Ha Ha., anyway, it's a good experiment that shows results. Might just switch to full synth an get a catch can.
So, you can go thru the anxiety of 5-6 failed transmissions.
 

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If you use it (I do not), haven't you wondered with all those start/stop cycles on a regular basis, how much raw fuel gets dumped into the cylinders every time, and how much lube is washed away ???
In some way/shape/form it has to affect the oil and how it lubes the engine.
That's the secret reason the oil gets so diluted that the viscosity is 0w0.
 

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That's the secret reason the oil gets so diluted that the viscosity is 0w0.
I don't get it, to shut off the engine don't you need to shut the fuel off? Along with the ignition, of course.
 

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I figure, what the hell right, twin turbo, stressed to the max 4 cylinder, -20 degrees winter mornings ...go for it
Pretty sure these are not twin turbos, twin spool maybe.
 

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I'm sure it has improved.....but I'm so old school that I can't help but think that all the start/stop/restart cycles do more harm than good.....double that when dealing with a cold engine where oil hasn't had a chance to warm up properly.
All those years we were told about dumping raw fuel into the cylinders did nothing but wash the lube from the cyl walls and dilute it.
Old school still sticks with me....first thing I do is hit the tow/haul which disables it.
yeah - but if you take the time to read the article - stop/start is disabled unless the vehicle is at a warmed up temp, I believe that us how it works on the Ranger. Also Mazda doesn't even use the starter, just fires a cylinder positioned at TDC and those that use starters do the same - TDC position to miminize cranking, you have one cylinder with fuel/air ready to fire. Technology is great until you have issues - then a lot of it is so complex the everyday person is screwed. I've been able to fix a lot of somewhat complicated crap by understanding how it is supposed to operate - a good example of that on here is the airline tech providing intricate details on how things function.
But if I had any concern regards wear from stop/start it would be around the crank bearings which depend on a thin oil film for lubrication.
 
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but I'm so old school that I can't help but think that all the start/stop/restart cycles do more harm than good.
I saw or read an article (maybe on here) on how many changes had to be made to vehicles because of the ASS. If I remember right they had to add a pressure pump to the transmission to keep line pressure up, an electric circ pump to the cooling system for hvac an stuff.

the complexity added probably erases any gain from the system an then some...or maybe I just hate it. I turn it off, if I'm at a LONG light on a moderate temp day I'll occasionally turn it on but only for those few minutes.
 

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And if you come off the HWY and stop at a light at the end of a ramp and ASS kicks in. You just shut the oil supply and cooling supply to a turbo that is spinning at several thousands of rpms.
Yes, but you are saving the planet by eliminating 1/2 cup of exhaust and saving 1/247 th gallon of gas by not idling....which is the whole reason for the stop/start stupidity.
 

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See project farm oil tests.
His oil tests are pure theater entertainment. They have no relation to true ATSM testing that use reference base oils for comparison testing against, not against other brands like he does.

Coffee pot cooking oils and using a wear scar machine that pitchmen used at the county fair back in the day that would show shampoo as a superior lubricant when used in the same machine is not a method to base or make educated conclusions from.
 

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Pretty cool! I’m at 90k trouble free miles. Using synthetic oil every 7k since new.
I haven’t really paid attention to the miles at my oil change interval. I’ve been changing at 50% oil life, which is usually 5 to 6k miles and twice a year. Mobil 1 using Motorcraft filters. I’ll have to look next time, and at 67k miles do an analysis next change
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