Fuel in oil

[SyberOrange]

I installed the UPR catch can about a week ago, and after about a 600 Mile road trip this last weekend I wanted to see what it had captured, and much to my surprise it contained a few ounces of gasoline (maybe a little water, but it has been warm here in Texas and the engine never cooled down during the trip). So I then figured I should check my oil, and sure enough it reeked of gasoline. Then I went back and checked the level, and it was way overfilled! Obviously a ton of fuel in the oil. Only 1800 miles on the truck, almost entirely highway. I only take it for drives into town (about a 20 mile drive one way) and roadtrips. We have 2 beaters we drive to work each day. I took it to the dealer yesterday and no word back yet. How much extra wear do you think that could've caused the engine in that amount of time? Should I press Ford for an extended warranty on my engine? If I was like many owners and just followed the 10,000 mile oil interval without ever checking who knows how bad it could have gotten. I also wonder what caused it. My best guess would be a leaking injector, but maybe a poorly seated piston ring? I'll report back here once I get it back from the dealer.

I have exact the same issue, FUEL DILUTION that is,. Quire a few folks on this forum mentioned the same. Unfortunately when I suggested to get togetherr on this subject and go against Ford together, I was profoundly ridiculed and laughed at. Just like in movie IDIOCRACY, l

Thanks for your response and the information. I apologize if any of this sounds overly harsh; I don't intend it to be. And by the way, I'm not Chris.


Ah, that makes more sense. Mr G had mentioned FMC advising something, so that was a bit surprising to hear. Still, it's interesting to hear about Ford Field Service Engineers. Were these folks from Ford Corporate, or someone who works at the local dealership?


I'm still a little confused about your justification for calling the truck a lemon. Has it suffered a mechanical failure? Could you be more specific about what you mean when you state that "It runs like S#!t!" And you provide more specific evidence for your truck being a fire hazard? I understand you infer it from the level of fuel dilution, but what specifically makes you believe that the level of fuel in the oil constitutes a fire hazard?

Could you provide your source for the Ford required specifications for allowable fuel dilution? I ask in part because I've had my truck looked at after I had a Blackstone report showing fuel in the oil, and the tech who looked at the truck said that the level of fuel dilution observed was "within spec," but then said he didn't know off the top of his head what the ford spec was and declined to find that information for me. I'd be really interested in any information that sheds more light on what the tech told me.


Do you have examples of other reports besides your own? Especially any incidents that resulted in crash, fire, injury, or death? And has NHTSA indicated any interest in following up more?


Thanks, I hadn't heard of them before, and when I just googled "CAS" I got things like the Chemical Abstract Service and the Council for the Advancement of Standards in higher education. Have they taken an interest in the matter?

If you're going to go the class-action route, you absolutely have to have an attorney who isn't afraid of Ford. Have the attorney's said that they're afraid of Ford? Or is that you interpretation for their decision not to take up the case? Because with all I've seen, you don't yet have a case for damages that would be the responsibility of Ford. Unless you can provide more information to show otherwise, all I see you having is lab reports of a level of fuel dilution that Ford says is normal, and that available evidence supports Ford's assertion since many Ranger owners have observed similar fuel dilution and yet I know of no reports of any Ranger's engine seizing, bursting into flames, or otherwise suffering premature failure that has been in any way linked with fuel dilution. I know this isn't what you want to hear and it won't ease your anxiety, but unless you have more, it just seems like grasping at this point.


You're doing fine discussing it here. And surely you've got to see how people might take issue with a new user suddenly requesting personal email or phone information, and how that approach can raise suspicions.

One last thing, if you're at liberty to discuss it: what was the police report about and how did the Sheriff's office respond?

Chris,

All that you're asking has answers. Yet, I am being honest with you that though I spent some time on this forum lately and I am not really a new user either (I created my profile in Aug 15, 2021 precsely when my truck's oil started to reek more and more of the gasoline), I really cannot be answering avery titbit of quastions that you are asking asn as they arise. Hence the introduction of my father's cincere offer of helto communicate with him. He's been working very hard and very thoroughly on this FUE DILUTION case with FMC. Thanks to him the fairly recent discovery of NHTSA (and CAS too) as we thought we were hitting the wall in out three-year struggle with FMC. I'd suggest to hit my dad, my delegate. Then, again, you don't have to listen to any suggestions and go on on your own.
Me and my dear father are real people, with a substantial amount of education and we wil continue to fight together and hope (and believe) that there are some who will join the forces. Three years of "war" - there is no turning back.

Sincerely,

Val

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[Rp930]

My last oil sample (04/24) was at 5%. That’s because that oil was installed in 10/23 and it ran solely in cold weather and all short trips and idling in Michigan. When I change it again this coming fall it will be back under 1% just like it always does. I understand the situation and don’t loose any sleep over it. A little research and you will understand too.

“It’s gonna blow!”

 

[IRISHTREMOR]

My last oil sample (04/24) was at 5%. That’s because that oil was installed in 10/23 and it ran solely in cold weather and all short trips and idling in Michigan. When I change it again this coming fall it will be back under 1% just like it always does. I understand the situation and don’t loose any sleep over it. A little research and you will understand too.

I as well am in Michigan and all my direct injection engines have smelled of gas in the oil. My 3 ecoboost’s my Coyote 5.0( no oil usage currently has 139k) and now my Ranger but again I change my oil at 5000 miles religiously and don’t follow Ford’s recommendations or what the ECU is telling me it usually says I have anywhere between 50-20% oil life left when I change it. I plan to keep this Ranger a longtime so I’ve switched to running Amsoil and Amsoil filters on this vehicle previously I ran Mobil 1 and Wix filters and again no issues. Same with the 10R80 transmission everyone seems to have issues with. I also buy Ford’s ESP warranty and every vehicle it’s paid for itself, so to each their own. I just do me when it comes to vehicle maintenance.

 

[Rp930]

Ford is going to get a good laugh out of this one. And the failure is?

 

[Chris M]

I have exact the same issue, FUEL DILUTION that is,. Quire a few folks on this forum mentioned the same. Unfortunately when I suggested to get togetherr on this subject and go against Ford together, I was profoundly ridiculed and laughed at. Just like in movie IDIOCRACY, l


Chris,

All that you're asking has answers. Yet, I am being honest with you that though I spent some time on this forum lately and I am not really a new user either (I created my profile in Aug 15, 2021 precsely when my truck's oil started to reek more and more of the gasoline), I really cannot be answering avery titbit of quastions that you are asking asn as they arise. Hence the introduction of my father's cincere offer of helto communicate with him. He's been working very hard and very thoroughly on this FUE DILUTION case with FMC. Thanks to him the fairly recent discovery of NHTSA (and CAS too) as we thought we were hitting the wall in out three-year struggle with FMC. I'd suggest to hit my dad, my delegate. Then, again, you don't have to listen to any suggestions and go on on your own.
Me and my dear father are real people, with a substantial amount of education and we wil continue to fight together and hope (and believe) that there are some who will join the forces. Three years of "war" - there is no turning back.

Sincerely,

Val

I have no desire to participate in your battle with Ford, but do wish you and your father well as you go forward.

You make your choices and choose your battles, and you live with the consequences thereof.

Again, best of luck.

 

[Chris M]

“It’s gonna blow!”

Relax, Scotty.
Spock and Bones are stealing you some new dilythium crystals from Harry Mudd. ?

 

[Mustang2Ranger]

“It’s gonna blow!”

Get to the choppaaaa!!!!!

 

[jsphlynch]

Chris,

All that you're asking has answers. Yet, I am being honest with you that though I spent some time on this forum lately and I am not really a new user either (I created my profile in Aug 15, 2021 precsely when my truck's oil started to reek more and more of the gasoline), I really cannot be answering avery titbit of quastions that you are asking asn as they arise. Hence the introduction of my father's cincere offer of helto communicate with him. He's been working very hard and very thoroughly on this FUE DILUTION case with FMC. Thanks to him the fairly recent discovery of NHTSA (and CAS too) as we thought we were hitting the wall in out three-year struggle with FMC. I'd suggest to hit my dad, my delegate. Then, again, you don't have to listen to any suggestions and go on on your own.
Me and my dear father are real people, with a substantial amount of education and we wil continue to fight together and hope (and believe) that there are some who will join the forces. Three years of "war" - there is no turning back.

Sincerely,

Val

My name is still not Chris.

If you don't want to answer questions here, then I'm out.

 

[SyberOrange]

My name is still not Chris.

If you don't want to answer questions here, then I'm out.

That was meant for Chris.
I've no idea how it happened, I'm not a forum pro.
My apologies, Joe

 

[SyberOrange]

That was meant for Chris.
I've no idea how it happened, I'm not a forum pro.
My apologies, Joe

My name is still not Chris.

If you don't want to answer questions here, then I'm out.

Hi Joe,
This is Mr.G; I believe you know already who I am.
Below is a link to the Incident report that I filed on behalf of Val with our local Sheriffs Office, which contacts are the following:
Cumberland County Sheriff’s Department
90 Justice Center Dr
Crossville, TN 38555
[email protected].
931-484-6176.
Here is a link to this office: https://cumberlandcountytn.gov/people/casey-cox/.
To get a FREE report (ask it with all the attachments) you should contact the named office via its email address or the phone number, which are provided above. The Incident Report number is: Case # 2024- 49458; Report Date: 06/14/2024 11:11 (Central Time).
Regards,
Mr.G

 

[Blmpkn]

Involving the police too eh?

 

[Rp930]

Time to blow this guy out or close the thread. Ridiculous

 

[Dr_Strangelove]

Kids, all I can say is sniff your oil at a distance no less than 36" and for no longer than 2 seconds.

Thanks,
I'm Mr. Blue

 

[Oddball]

Hi all,

I know this topic has been discussed before but just want to give some background on my findings in case it helps anybody.

I have worked as a level 2 oil analyst and have been a foreman for an oil analysis lab for a combined total of 14 years. So, it's easy for me to keep tabs on my engine oils, and the viscosity findings on the ranger had me worried. The new oil started at 59 cSt@40C and after 6 months it had dropped to 27 cSt@40C, this is lower than a 0w-16 oil.

Obviously, if you used such an oil in your engine it would void your warranty, so I called up my dealer, told them my findings and they did an investigation. They called me back about 6 hours after drop off to tell me that it was leaking injectors and that they would be replacing all 4 under my ESP.

Hopefully they found it and there will not be any more issues. But I wanted to share this because there are dealerships who will take your oil analysis seriously, and they can't really argue with a viscosity result, it clearly shouldn't be that low... I will update this down the road after i drive it for a bit.

Cheers

 

[Stevedbvik1]

Hi all,

I know this topic has been discussed before but just want to give some background on my findings in case it helps anybody.

I have worked as a level 2 oil analyst and have been a foreman for an oil analysis lab for a combined total of 14 years. So, it's easy for me to keep tabs on my engine oils, and the viscosity findings on the ranger had me worried. The new oil started at 59 cSt@40C and after 6 months it had dropped to 27 cSt@40C, this is lower than a 0w-16 oil.

Obviously, if you used such an oil in your engine it would void your warranty, so I called up my dealer, told them my findings and they did an investigation. They called me back about 6 hours after drop off to tell me that it was leaking injectors and that they would be replacing all 4 under my ESP.

Hopefully they found it and there will not be any more issues. But I wanted to share this because there are dealerships who will take your oil analysis seriously, and they can't really argue with a viscosity result, it clearly shouldn't be that low... I will update this down the road after i drive it for a bit.

Cheers

Thanks for sharing this. Question that I have is that your test being done at 40C. The lab that does mine tests at 100C. Is there a correlation between the two?

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