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No mention of an updated drum ?
The CDF is essentially Step 2 of the recommended TSB procedure. The valve body overhaul is Step 1 (after checking for codes).

If the valve body overhaul doesn't correct the issue, they'll move forward with the CDF cylinder replacement.

For mine, the valve body overhaul fixed the issues (so far, knock on wood)...so they didn't go an further.
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I have had the clunky transmission for a few months. Took mine into the dealer yesterday and mentioned TSB 23-2250 to them. Sure enough after a couple of hours of diagnostics they agreed that 23-2250 is needed. Having reset the TCM/PCM, and performed the adaptive drive cycle, the next step, according to the service order, is valvebody overhaul.

They ordered the parts and sent me away with the truck. They’ll let me know when the parts are in.
How many miles?
 

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The CDF is essentially Step 2 of the recommended TSB procedure. The valve body overhaul is Step 1 (after checking for codes).

If the valve body overhaul doesn't correct the issue, they'll move forward with the CDF cylinder replacement.

For mine, the valve body overhaul fixed the issues (so far, knock on wood)...so they didn't go an further.
I was hoping to just skip to the end so they didnt have to work on it three or 4 different times ? , I guess I will just "run till fail" ...
 

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I was hoping to just skip to the end so they didnt have to work on it three or 4 different times ? , I guess I will just "run till fail" ...
I hear ya.

The good news is they sped through the test drive, reflash, test drive, adaptive learn, test drive in just 2 hours. I get the impression that they weren’t looking to NOT find the issue.
 


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I was hoping to just skip to the end so they didnt have to work on it three or 4 different times ? , I guess I will just "run till fail" ...
the sad part is, if they find valve body problems and stop there because its fixed, you're still not out of the woods if you have an impending CDF drum failure.
 

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the sad part is, if they find valve body problems and stop there because its fixed, you're still not out of the woods if you have an impending CDF drum failure.
Im not taking mine in until that damn drum is hanging out the bottom with fluid all over the ground , so, never most likely , I don't put enough miles on it to get it to exploded enough to get a new transmission , so I'll just live here in transmission purgatory until i level up ... or down...
 

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But when it's right ,and I'm getting on the interstate or a long WV hillclimb and I'm 3/4's or so in it , it goes through the gears like a BEAST ! Very impressive , EXACTLY they way I want it to , then the first stop light or slow down and I get hit in the rear by an invisible vehicle , and he/she/they/them never leave any contact info , i can/have and will live with it , still beats anything out there , and it's fixable , if I want to pursue it...
 

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that where i am at. had the pcm flashed a few times then the valve body thing. then the dealer pretended that nothing was wrong and shifts that almost spill my drink in the cup holder is totally normal. :facepalm:
 

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Im not taking mine in until that damn drum is hanging out the bottom with fluid all over the ground , so, never most likely , I don't put enough miles on it to get it to exploded enough to get a new transmission , so I'll just live here in transmission purgatory until i level up ... or down...
Oh, it will happen, at about 3K miles out of warranty.
 

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I'd love to know what the expected line pressure target is. They mention they saw it was low and that the Valve Body was the issue. That should be easy to verify through forscan or the tuner for the rest of us.
 

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I'd love to know what the expected line pressure target is. They mention they saw it was low and that the Valve Body was the issue. That should be easy to verify through forscan or the tuner for the rest of us.
I dug some and all I can find is that, for a Line Pressure Test, you tap into the transmission with a pressure gauge. Bi-Directional command the Line Pressure Up and Down.
No more than 10-PSI variance allowed between commanded and actual line pressure.
Now Ford - PID charts do not show this specific data that I can find, but I do remember seeing transmission specific data the last time I had my Autel scanner hooked up.
I might have to hook up and see, but I am sure the pressure is going to vary, depending on Gear and Speed.

EDIT:

I do not know if this is accurate, but I did find this.

Trans Line Pressures.png


and this note:

Using a diagnostic scan tool, monitor and compare the PID LINEDSD# to actual measured pressure. Actual measured pressure should be within 10 PSI (69 kPa) of PID LINEDSD#. Raise engine RPM to 2000 RPM and verify LPC operation by monitoring LINE pressure while commanding LINEDSD# up and down.

LineDSD = Line Pressure Desired
 
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I might have to hook up and see, but I am sure the pressure is going to vary, depending on Gear and Speed.
And whether the converter is being commanded to lock or not. The pressure table would be all over the map. Far cry from a 4L60 with its relatively 'simple' pressure control. That's probably why there's nothing in the service manual for it other than the delta between commanded and measured. They probably have pressure ramping up during shifts and then backing back of or some other such control. I also think that the pressure control is PWM, so there's another point of fluctuation.

I'm basing some of this off of some of the charts in the unsealed GM 8-speed lawsuit. Even though the transmissions aren't the same, I suspect that most modern TCM's control at least somewhat similarly.

Sonnax is already on top of the problem of low line pressures as well:

https://www.sonnax.com/parts/5619-main-pressure-regulator-valve-kit


From the lawsuit as an example. (Yes, these are clutch pack pressures and not line pressures).

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I dug some and all I can find is that, for a Line Pressure Test, you tap into the transmission with a pressure gauge. Bi-Directional command the Line Pressure Up and Down.
No more than 10-PSI variance allowed between commanded and actual line pressure.
Now Ford - PID charts do not show this specific data that I can find, but I do remember seeing transmission specific data the last time I had my Autel scanner hooked up.
I might have to hook up and see, but I am sure the pressure is going to vary, depending on Gear and Speed.

EDIT:

I do not know if this is accurate, but I did find this.

Trans Line Pressures.png


and this note:

Using a diagnostic scan tool, monitor and compare the PID LINEDSD# to actual measured pressure. Actual measured pressure should be within 10 PSI (69 kPa) of PID LINEDSD#. Raise engine RPM to 2000 RPM and verify LPC operation by monitoring LINE pressure while commanding LINEDSD# up and down.

LineDSD = Line Pressure Desired
Thanks for looking this up, it's at least a useful place to start. It sounds like if I can find the LINEDSD PID in forscan I can evaluate the condition by comparing actual pressure to commanded pressure.
 

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The CDF is essentially Step 2 of the recommended TSB procedure. The valve body overhaul is Step 1 (after checking for codes).

If the valve body overhaul doesn't correct the issue, they'll move forward with the CDF cylinder replacement.

For mine, the valve body overhaul fixed the issues (so far, knock on wood)...so they didn't go an further.
IMHO, the valve body is just a stop gap fix so they do not have to replace the whole transmission or rebuild the whole thing when the CDF clutch drum fails. I think they hope the valve body will mask issues long enough for the transmission to last until the owner trades or the truck goes out of warranty.
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