Back-to-back Blackstone Lab reports w/Motorcraft 5W-30 vs. Amsoil

[quangdog]

I've been doing blackstone analysis on my oil changes for a while now. I change my oil every 5000(ish) miles, and always use Mobil-1 Extended Performance Full Synthetic 5W-30. Right before this most recent report, I drove roughly 600 miles each direction to pick up and pull home a project car for my son. The total weight of trailer + car was around 5500 lbs, and we went over some pretty steep mountains - that's the towing that the report refers to.

My typical day-to-day driving is just back and forth to work (only about 4 miles one way, so definitely considered a short trip) or around town to run errands etc. At least a few times per month I'll drive it somewhere farther away (at least 15 miles one way, sometimes interstate, sometimes back roads), and with more gusto than normal. The fuel in the oil is expected for this engine and my specific driving habits.

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[Canadian Ranger]

So your saying you got better mileage with motocraft blend then Amsoil?

Not broke in yet , I started towing @ 1500
miles get 12/13 mpg towing 4500 lb high wind profile camper. + 20 city/highway
not towing, retired don’t drive except for food, doctor, and pulling every.

I changed it first at 1200 miles, using Amsoil on 3rd oil change 8000 miles 50%
Towing no issues93 octane and gas additive 4 oz per 10 gal.

cloud be waste , but how we roll @ less than 3500 annually.

Amsoils filter is better than Motocrafts IMO.

I got no drastic mileage improvement with Amsoil engine oil, but I sure did with their transmission, front & rear diff and transfer case fluids.

 

[TICKLE ZOMBIE]

I dumped the motorcraft at about 1000 miles and have been running Amsoil ever since. I get some pretty good MPGs and my truck seems to run great but I do plan on trying Castrol Edge next oil change. I thought about Pennzoil but I just fear it's too thin. If Ryan Blaney wins the title next week I may change my mind.
I have also thought about going to to Motorcraft just for the heck of it and give it a few oil changes but if I do that I have to use a WIX filter because...well...why not. ?

 

[ccasanova22]

If you are changing more than one variable each oil change why bother with testing?
Why pay for a test when you have to guess which variable caused the changes?

The point of the UOA is to make sure the engine is wearing in properly, has no air filter or coolant leaks, and no strange contaminants (silicon, water, antifreeze) has gotten into the oil.

I’m not saying this is a scientific test because it’s impossible to drive the truck in the same conditions year round.

Winter vs. summer, towing, highway vs city, etc.

The only constant my truck sees is regular 1,000+ mile round trip drives from state to state and highway temps. It rarely does any trips of less than 15 miles one way and only a handful of 10 mile trips ever.

I only noticed my MPG is less because the same day I changed to Amsoil (and the same day I swapped that Amsoil to Mobil 1), the MPG changed with a constant, non-windy highway drive of 45-55mph (country roads) and all tires at stock tire pressure.

Both the Motorcraft and Mobil 1 returned higher MPG overall.

 

[pbethel]

Changing oil brands at every change and paying $35.00 to test each is entertainment.
If it makes you happy go for it. I've got worse vices.

 

[TBF]

Hey all, I came across this thread doing some research on filters for the 5th Gen I recently purchased.

I work in the finished lubricant’s business, and I am currently employed by one of the oldest independent oil marketers in the United States. My company is also moves the most gallons of Motorcraft oil east of the Mississippi River.

I can tell you unequivocally that (all) Motorcraft Oil is made by one, single, well know oil company or “Major” as it’s known in the industry. Motorcraft has been made by this same company for several years and will continue to be that same company for several more. It’s made with high quality base stocks, and has exceptional quality control at every aspect of production.

There’s no “who knows what it’s gonna be this time” or “this dealership might use this brand and this one uses another and it’s just label slapped”. It comes from one place, made in one refinery, in the US.

On the topic of UOA, I work closely with several chemists who have their OMA and also a STLE-CLS, I too am studying to get my OMA as well between them there’s over 100 years of combined experience and education.

Doing UOA in a non-commercial, non diesel vehicle, is never a bad thing, it can help you stay ahead of potential problems with your engine IE coolant leaks, but in all honesty if you keep your changes to around 5,000 miles and use good oil and a good filter, you’ll be fine.

Ecoboost engines inherently have an issue with gasoline/oil dilution. My company has around 50 EB platforms in our fleet. We are entirely Ford aside from our Semis and many of the employees and even the ownership almost exclusively drive Ford’s personally. We have done countless UOAs at an independent laboratory. The knock down in viscosity that you see on the EB platform is almost always due to fuel dilution in the engine oil. This is why (near as we can tell) Ford tells you to run 5w30 opposed to something thinner like a 0w20.

 

[Frenchy]

Hey all, I came across this thread doing some research on filters for the 5th Gen I recently purchased.

I work in the finished lubricant’s business, and I am currently employed by one of the oldest independent oil marketers in the United States. My company is also moves the most gallons of Motorcraft oil east of the Mississippi River.

I can tell you unequivocally that (all) Motorcraft Oil is made by one, single, well know oil company or “Major” as it’s known in the industry. Motorcraft has been made by this same company for several years and will continue to be that same company for several more. It’s made with high quality base stocks, and has exceptional quality control at every aspect of production.

There’s no “who knows what it’s gonna be this time” or “this dealership might use this brand and this one uses another and it’s just label slapped”. It comes from one place, made in one refinery, in the US.

On the topic of UOA, I work closely with several chemists who have their OMA and also a STLE-CLS, I too am studying to get my OMA as well between them there’s over 100 years of combined experience and education.

Doing UOA in a non-commercial, non diesel vehicle, is never a bad thing, it can help you stay ahead of potential problems with your engine IE coolant leaks, but in all honesty if you keep your changes to around 5,000 miles and use good oil and a good filter, you’ll be fine.

Ecoboost engines inherently have an issue with gasoline/oil dilution. My company has around 50 EB platforms in our fleet. We are entirely Ford aside from our Semis and many of the employees and even the ownership almost exclusively drive Ford’s personally. We have done countless UOAs at an independent laboratory. The knock down in viscosity that you see on the EB platform is almost always due to fuel dilution in the engine oil. This is why (near as we can tell) Ford tells you to run 5w30 opposed to something thinner like a 0w20.

Let me guess, this "Major" oil company that is used is Mobil Oil?!

 

[TBF]

Let me guess, this "Major" oil company that is used is Mobil Oil?!

Incorrect (at least in the U.S.) you’ve got 6 more guesses. It’s not super hard to figure out (30 seconds on google) who makes Motocraft, but I’m technically not allowed to say it (contractual).

 

[ranger 2020]

When I last worked in a Ford dealership Motorcraft oil was made by Conoco and filters were Purolator.

 

[ccasanova22]

Now that my oil level has started to rise, I’m thinking my new 15 mile (one way) grocery trips are too short.

Time to hook up the trailer and go on some longer drives. Hoping my next fuel dilution report is back to a “Trace” level.

 

[Blmpkn]

Now that my oil level has started to rise, I’m thinking my new 15 mile (one way) grocery trips are too short.

Time to hook up the trailer and go on some longer drives. Hoping my next fuel dilution report is back to a “Trace” level.

It's also getting cold.. which will have an effect.

 

[ccasanova22]

It's also getting cold.. which will have an effect.

Agreed. On my other vehicles, I’ve got the same thing - oil level decreasingly rapidly if I do a long cross-country run, thru mountains and Death Valley like temperatures. Local winter driving the dip stick levels seem to go up and then I lose 1/2 a quart when I run it hard thru Colorado or similar mountains.

I’ve pretty much had to carry a quart of oil every time I went thru a heavy mountain range, more so in a manual car due to all that downshifting.

Local driving all my cars “make” oil…lol

 

[MountainGoat]

How long do these blackstone people take to send you your results?

 

[OFC Ranger]

These oil test companies have the perfect racket. I'm jealous.

I'm sure originally the intention was testing for more series avenues, like racing, large manufacturing equipment, etc etc

Then they realized one day that the average station wagon owner will pay for this service for God knows whatever reason.

And this is why I can never be rich, I couldn't sleep at night pulling these kind of large scale shenanigan's.

 

[Frenchy]

These oil test companies have the perfect racket. I'm jealous.

I'm sure originally the intention was testing for more series avenues, like racing, large manufacturing equipment, etc etc

Then they realized one day that the average station wagon owner will pay for this service for God knows whatever reason.

And this is why I can never be rich, I couldn't sleep at night pulling these kind of large scale shenanigan's.

You're probably not wrong. I know that a lot of auto manufacturers will use it when they're questioning if an engine head certain additives put in it just from an oil sample. It's usually when you have a catastrophic failure that auto manufacturers want to do it. Heavy machinery like construction and mining equipment usually get samples taken every PM service. Can't speak for much else

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