Toyota Is Planning A New EV With A 900-Mile Range And 10-Minute Charging Time.

[MountainGoat]

The fire must have been caused by a crewman tossing a cigarette......I mean who would ever think that a lithium battery, much less several thousand, would ever ignite, causing a fire ?????

It was climate change. The climate changed in the boat, got much hotter.

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[Grumpaw]

It was climate change. The climate changed in the boat, got much hotter.

But it's a well known, documented fact that lith-ion batteries in electric vehicles are good for us and good for the planet.....just ask any lith-ion battery manufacturer, and any EV manufacturer !!! They and the gov-ment wouldn't lie to us, would they ?????

 

[Frenchy]

It will definitely make a difference if it can be made practical. I already know that Nissan is on board with Toyota to get this to work as well. I'm curious to see where it goes.

 

[JohnnyO]

I have more faith in Toyota being able to do this than all the others. I think Tesla would be the only other that has the capability right now too. It's a step in the right direction which is positive news for a change.

The whole auto industry sadly is subsidized now from bailouts to extremely high loans which most never get paid back. As far as the grid goes I'm guessing the govt has big plans for that. As far as it stands now there's no way it could handle this much juice going into hundreds/thousands of vehicles without it effecting household customers during peak hours.

Charging is the elephant in the room. Just down the road is an apartment complex. Pretty sure the apartment owners aren't going to install a hundred or more chargers. Condos with no or single car garages. Lots of logistics to be worked out.

The other thing I'm hearing is they will have to reduce the capacity of parking garages due to the increased weight of EV's. But you apostates should be taking mass transit anyway.

 

[Dr. Zaius]

But it's a well known, documented fact that lith-ion batteries in electric vehicles are good for us and good for the planet.....just ask any lith-ion battery manufacturer, and any EV manufacturer !!! They and the gov-ment wouldn't lie to us, would they ?????

I've personally taken this to heart and plan on using the swollen Li-ion battery pack from my old computer as a pillow.

I can sleep soundly knowing that I'm dreaming of saving the environment while actually doing so.

That the pillow is nice and warm is a pleasant side benefit.

The other thing I'm hearing is they will have to reduce the capacity of parking garages due to the increased weight of EV's. But you apostates should be taking mass transit anyway.

If that means wider parking spaces then I'm all for it...

 

[JohnnyO]

If that means wider parking spaces then I'm all for it...

I'm thinking that's not in the plan.

 

[Chris M]

Maybe they hired this guy ?‍

It's aliiiive!

 

[TJC]

My understanding of electrical things is pretty much limited to amps x volts = watts, I think. But, to me, there's no way enough energy to move a vehicle 900 miles or even 500 miles could be transferred into a battery in 10 minutes. My mind is conjuring up images of melting wires, for sure.

Then there is this Stanford Study from Sept 2022. Infrastructure simply does not exist to charge the number of EVs needed to replace ICE autos. And that cheap charging price will evaporate before your eyes as migration to EVs begins.

Not to mention the loss of Petrol taxes that fund roads and a host of other things.

Taxing by mile driven is the alternative proposed, but this introduces an Orwellian state where individual privacy is further eroded. Your every move tracked and logged in real time. You every conversation listened in on...

Are we having fun yet?

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September 22, 2022
Charging cars at home at night is not the way to go, Stanford study finds

The move to electric vehicles will result in large costs for generating, transmitting, and storing more power. Shifting current EV charging from home to work and night to day could cut costs and help the grid, according to a new Stanford study.

By Mark Golden

The vast majority of electric vehicle owners charge their cars at home in the evening or overnight. We’re doing it wrong, according to a new Stanford study.

 

[9zero1790]

you know i had almost forgotten about cell phones going poof a few years ago due to battery issues. some melted slowly some bust in to flames. several people hurt, burned etc. even burned some buildings down. flash forward, sure build a giant cell phone battery with a metal cage around it, wheels, and strap my ass into it... what could go wrong.

 

[Langwilliams]

This will probably end up like the $40,000 Ford lightning. Not really close to initial promise.

I lived in a condo complex with garages an there was one 100 amp service for a row of 4 double garages. I don't know if this fuse box fed the 6 double garages across the drive way in. I highly doubt these condos will support multiple 25 or 50 amp chargers. Condos being built now might build this in. Ours were only wired for the garage door opener an most people tied into that outlet to add one to the wall.

Yes charging WILL get more expensive. The primary electric provider here recently doubled their price per Kw. I saw in some places charging an electric doesn't save you anything over buying a tank of gas.

https://www.nationalworld.com/lifes...ar-costs-compared-for-public-fill-ups-3835365

 

[KJRR]

I'm a sceptic but did a little reading. The main limitation on charging is the heat generated. Solid state batteries generate less heat which would allow the faster charging. There is actually less risk of fire. Solid state batteries are actually already in use in pacemakers and rfid devices. The challenge is the cost and that is where the improvements will be to make them affordable.
Noone is ever going to charge at home in 10 minutes. The infrustructure isn't there and would be expensive to upgrade. Most houses in major cities probably only have 60A service with fuses. Older suburbs 100A. I imagine substations and transformers would need to be replaced to supply every house with 200A service. Then you need to upgrade panels and add the wiring in the house for a charging station.
The fast charging would be commercial places where you pay a premium as you do now. It would just be much quicker.

I will still never buy one.

 

[Frenchy]

I'm a sceptic but did a little reading. The main limitation on charging is the heat generated. Solid state batteries generate less heat which would allow the faster charging. There is actually less risk of fire. Solid state batteries are actually already in use in pacemakers and rfid devices. The challenge is the cost and that is where the improvements will be to make them affordable.
Noone is ever going to charge at home in 10 minutes. The infrustructure isn't there and would be expensive to upgrade. Most houses in major cities probably only have 60A service with fuses. Older suburbs 100A. I imagine substations and transformers would need to be replaced to supply every house with 200A service. Then you need to upgrade panels and add the wiring in the house for a charging station.
The fast charging would be commercial places where you pay a premium as you do now. It would just be much quicker.

I will still never buy one.

In general you are not wrong. With the solid state battery I'm sure there will be Pro's and Con's. The only question is will the Pro's outweigh the Con's?

 

[Bob902]

you know i had almost forgotten about cell phones going poof a few years ago due to battery issues. some melted slowly some bust in to flames. several people hurt, burned etc. even burned some buildings down. flash forward, sure build a giant cell phone battery with a metal cage around it, wheels, and strap my ass into it... what could go wrong.

Just like they ask you about lithium ion batteries at the airport.

 

[Trigganometry]

you know i had almost forgotten about cell phones going poof a few years ago due to battery issues. some melted slowly some bust in to flames. several people hurt, burned etc. even burned some buildings down. flash forward, sure build a giant cell phone battery with a metal cage around it, wheels, and strap my ass into it... what could go wrong.

The new hellfire is introduced for the public use!

 

[CATX]

Battery vehicles, whether solid state or liquid electrolytes can’t scale. Not enough raw material mining capacity to make it happen on a global scale. Going to be a niche product until there’s a major breakthrough leading to a reasonable way to store large amounts of electricity.

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