For EV Drivers, Realities May Dampen The Electric Elation

[AzScorpion]

It looks like Tesla is now going to open up 7500 of their charging stations to all EV's by the end of 2024. lol So at least in another 2 years all EV's will have a few extra choices to charge their now. lol But wait, not all Tesla owners are in favor of this. Shocking I know!

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/chevy-bolt-ford-lightning-drive-125700639.html

some loyal Tesla owners were “unnerved” by the plan. One Seattle Tesla owner told the newspaper that Superchargers in his city are already overrun with demand and opening the network to others will compound the problem.

“Just curious, is there any priority given for Tesla owners?”

The last one I can see causing a bunch of arguments. lol Tesla drivers now seeing a bunch of Ford Lighning trucks all lined up in front of them at their Tesla charging stations. What could go wrong?

Meanwhile I'll (hopefully) be driving my gas guzzling Raptor laughing as I pass them on my way home to relax while they're all waiting in line for hours. ?

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[grammat95]

I would hope that anybody buying an EV would do their homework to determine whether or not it fits their lifestyle. I think having a garage and also an ICE vehicle makes ownership much more practical. At the same time, I wouldn't group all EVs together. EVs make a lot of sense for a commuter car, but unfortunately I see the trucks as being essentially overpriced toys. I chuckle when I see Rivian advertising grand adventures in their R1T or when Ford shows the Lightning towing heavy... these things just aren't rooted in reality.

 

[dtech]

First and foremost I don't watch, listen or read any of the major news stations. They're all full of S#!%!?

Because for most Tesla drivers (and EV drivers) they work great. IF you're commutes are short (er), have a charger at home, don't travel through areas that have a very long distance where there are NO charging stations and have time to sit and wait in long lines when you finally find one.

Also paying more for batteries isn't like adding a couple hundred or even a thousand dollars to your vehicle. You're talking thousands and even tens of thousands to move up to the top of the line battery. People now a days are having trouble just trying to afford an "normal" vehicle because the prices are so darn high now. Things are so bad now the average persons credit card debt has increased 15% year over year. So I'd love to see them buy an extended battery EV then spend another couple grand hooking up a charger to their home now. Oh wait, they live in a condo with no garage so now I guess after working 10-12 hours today they can now go sit in another 1-2 (maybe longer) line waiting another 45 minutes for their EV to charge to 80%. And let's just pray it's not winter time (or summer here in AZ) and they're sitting there in those long lines running the heater drawing down the battery.

Just wanted to point out the numbers and not debate pros and cons of EVs - the numbers are growing and will continue to grow and as several others succinctly stated - follow they money - the investments are there and it's hundreds of billions. If the fact that EVs exist and are growing in numbers annoys some people........too bad.

 

[myothercarizahearse]

5 minutes to pump gas vs 30 minutes to charge. I'm not gud at mathing or anything using the old noodle but wouldn't that mean you would need 6 charging stations for every gas pump? again no mathing gud

 

[AzScorpion]

Just wanted to point out the numbers and not debate pros and cons of EVs - the numbers are growing and will continue to grow and as several others succinctly stated - follow they money - the investments are there and it's hundreds of billions. If the fact that EVs exist and are growing in numbers annoys some people........too bad.

It doesn't annoy me one bit. I doubt I'll never own one unless the day comes where I can go as far as I can now without all the inconveniences they now have. Then the price needs to come down because $90K for a long distance (that's a joke) battery truck is unrealistic for many, myself included.

I've said it many times EV's are great for many who have short commutes and only go from point A-B for most of their trips. I would NEVER want one while traveling like we now do. It's stressful enough driving on long trips and in unfamiliar areas now throw in having to worry about finding a charging station and also having to wait, not for me.

But yes, you are right about one thing...Follow the money! This is what is been about since day one and just about everything these scummy politicians do/want. Whatever they're pushing is NOT for our own good it's for theirs.

 

[AzScorpion]

5 minutes to pump gas vs 30 minutes to charge. I'm not gud at mathing or anything using the old noodle but wouldn't that mean you would need 6 charging stations for every gas pump? again no mathing gud

IIRC Dave its 45 minuted to rapid charge to 80%. IF you can find a rapid charger and IF there isn't a long line at one. I remember the gas wars back in the 70's and sitting in the car with my mom waiting to fill up. It wasn't fun as a kid and it sure won't be fun now as an adult doing this. lol

 

[Jason B]

It's getting better, if you can find a fast-charging station as Hyundai claims:

"IONIQ 6 gets up to an EPA-estimated 361 miles on a single charge. Leveraging Hyundai’s dedicated EV platform, e-GMP, it has standard ultra-fast charging capability which lets you charge up to 80% in as little as 18 minutes with a 350-kW, 800V charger."

Now, where are you going to find a charger with those capabilities. Definitely not a home charger.
I pass two charging stations with six charging spots just off the interstate on my way to work. One is in the Wal Mart parking lot, which is a standard charger. The other is a Tesla charging station in a Target parking lot. I don't think I have ever seen a car charging at either one.

If prices were reasonable, an EV would work for me. I own my own home, and it's a 54-mile round trip for work. I rarely go on long trips. But I'd never get an EV truck.

 

[rydfree]

IIRC Dave its 45 minuted to rapid charge to 80%. IF you can find a rapid charger and IF there isn't a long line at one. I remember the gas wars back in the 70's and sitting in the car with my mom waiting to fill up. It wasn't fun as a kid and it sure won't be fun now as an adult doing this. lol

Rapid charging an EV battery would be like starting at the top and drilling a small hole in your gas tank every time you fill up. Capacity is decreased with each event ,lol.

 

[dtech]

First and foremost I don't watch, listen or read any of the major news stations. They're all full of S#!%!?

Question as I don't watch a whole lot of youtube ( the exception being music vids) how accurate do you think the vids are ? One reason I don't watch many is they are so drawn out and I'd roughly estimate maybe 66% accurate. And I'd never watch Joe Rogen or some of these folks that just want a lot of views and put slants on most everything.

 

[Friday yet?]

Just one more reason that I can NOT wait for my beautiful blue Tremor to finally be in my possession. Periodically while standing at the pump filling my bad ass ride with the Top Tier 93 octane it loves I'll think of those EV owners and chuckle.

To each his own. And I support everyone's opinion. But I will forecast the future here. There will never be an EV in my garage. Just the thought makes me want to go down down stairs and have a nice chilled shot of 93 octane. Maybe sip some 5W30 as a chaser.

Ok, sorry. My buttheadedness slipped out a bit. Not an EV fan, ok? And as to Tesla specifically?

 

[Grumpaw]

IIRC Dave its 45 minuted to rapid charge to 80%. IF you can find a rapid charger and IF there isn't a long line at one. I remember the gas wars back in the 70's and sitting in the car with my mom waiting to fill up. It wasn't fun as a kid and it sure won't be fun now as an adult doing this. lol

And, take into account if charging stations don't keep up, scenes like this could become common...here are EV owners finding out a new charging station has opened, and their rushing home to get their EV's...

 

[AzScorpion]

Question as I don't watch a whole lot of youtube ( the exception being music vids) how accurate do you think the vids are ? One reason I don't watch many is they are so drawn out and I'd roughly estimate maybe 66% accurate. And I'd never watch Joe Rogen or some of these folks that just want a lot of views and put slants on most everything.

I'll admit there are MANY on YouTube that are just clickbait videos. I don't watch podcast like Joe Rogan or Tim Poole etc either. I try to watch them from car guys like TFL (yes at times they're bias) and a few others. TFL did a road test with an ICE & EV both towing the exact same travel trailer. Now those are the comparison videos I like because they show real world results. Will the distances get better, they should. But at what expense and how will the average person be able to afford a $100K EV truck just so they can tow/haul with it like an ICE truck?

I'm not against EV's or advancement in technology but IMHO they're going about this all wrong. First they scared people into them by raising the prices of gas, yes this was done intentionally and anyone who thinks otherwise well that's another debate we most likely couldn't have here. Then the reality of having to spend BILLIONS to update our grid from coast to coast doesn't sit well when we're already TRILLIONS in debt, have reach our debt ceiling now and just gave the Ukraine another $460 BILLION while our elderly, Vets and homeless suffer here!!! Electricity rates will be so high that only the rich will be able to drive these EV's if all this ever happens. No I'm not wearing my tinfoil hat today either.?

 

[dtech]

I'll admit there are MANY on YouTube that are just clickbait videos. I don't watch podcast like Joe Rogan or Tim Poole etc either. I try to watch them from car guys like TFL (yes at times they're bias) and a few others. TFL did a road test with an ICE & EV both towing the exact same travel trailer. Now those are the comparison videos I like because they show real world results. Will the distances get better, they should. But at what expense and how will the average person be able to afford a $100K EV truck just so they can tow/haul with it like an ICE truck?

I'm not against EV's or advancement in technology but IMHO they're going about this all wrong. First they scared people into them by raising the prices of gas, yes this was done intentionally and anyone who thinks otherwise well that's another debate we most likely couldn't have here. Then the reality of having to spend BILLIONS to update our grid from coast to coast doesn't sit well when we're already TRILLIONS in debt, have reach our debt ceiling now and just gave the Ukraine another $460 BILLION while our elderly, Vets and homeless suffer here!!! Electricity rates will be so high that only the rich will be able to drive these EV's if all this ever happens. No I'm not wearing my tinfoil hat today either.?

Soapbox time :

you've been around long enough to see that energy companies are allowed to and do raise prices for any excuse that happens to pop up at the time, by the time true facts are presented and public outcry raises these capitalistic entities have made massive profits, for oil the all too convenient phrase is "oil is a global commodity and determines the price we all pay" true because it's allowed to be true, but higher pump prices do play into the interests of those invested in and/or supporting EVs .
many agree and most experts feel the grid needs massive updates irrespective of EVs, now many states want to electrify a whole bunch of gas powered stuff. and we have miscreants attacking substations for whatever reason, might even be boredom. Texas went down hard in 2021 and it's costing Texans and millions of others in higher energy costs and Texas was forewarned 10 yrs earlier about being vulnerable.
that an EV trucks range is dramatically reduced via towing shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who has a basic knowledge of physics same applies for cold weather use. Agree 100% with folks that say EV trucks fall short in a lot of categories, towing maybe foremost. But Ford is selling Lightnings and along with the mustang can boast that they've taken core products and demonstrated they can electrify them and there is a market - shortcomings and all.
the national debt - national disgrace and of course something for politicians to use as a politcal football.

 

[Highlander]

Question as I don't watch a whole lot of youtube ( the exception being music vids) how accurate do you think the vids are ? One reason I don't watch many is they are so drawn out and I'd roughly estimate maybe 66% accurate. And I'd never watch Joe Rogen or some of these folks that just want a lot of views and put slants on most everything.

Peter Zeihan - Geopolitical Analyst and Author

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Zeihan

https://zeihan.com/

The End of the World Is Just the Beginning: Mapping the Collapse of Globalization, by Peter Zeihan, Harper Business, June 14, 2022, debuted at number 12 on The New York Times nonfiction best-seller list for the week ending June 18, 2022.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_the_World_Is_Just_the_Beginning

I think your bias against Rogan, is misplaced. He has guests and he asks questions. Sure some of the people he talks to are nutters, but you can't know that unless you're willing to listen. But he does have great guests. Like any other talk show, he gets the ones that are making waves in one space or another.

You can watch Peter Zeihan, give talks to some of the top businesses and business groups in the US, and the world. He's also been doing his analyst work for the US Gov.

He seems to come at his research and predictions like an actuary. His record is pretty sound.

To limit yourself to the information, just keeps you locked into an uncritical bubble.. how critical of a thinker can you be if you don't get all the info.

From the power grid, the raw materials needed to be mined, where that material comes from, labour force shortages, and all the microchips need to run all this; Peter Zeihan, paints a picture of a changing world most people aren't even aware of. Globalizm is dead, and with it a lot of things people now, take for granted.

Frank

 

[dtech]

Peter Zeihan - Geopolitical Analyst and Author

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Zeihan

https://zeihan.com/

The End of the World Is Just the Beginning: Mapping the Collapse of Globalization, by Peter Zeihan, Harper Business, June 14, 2022, debuted at number 12 on The New York Times nonfiction best-seller list for the week ending June 18, 2022.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_the_World_Is_Just_the_Beginning

I think your bias against Rogan, is misplaced. He has guests and he asks questions. Sure some of the people he talks to are nutters, but you can't know that unless you're willing to listen. But he does have great guests. Like any other talk show, he gets the ones that are making waves in one space or another.

You can watch Peter Zeihan, give talks to some of the top businesses and business groups in the US, and the world. He's also been doing his analyst work for the US Gov.

He seems to come at his research and predictions like an actuary. His record is pretty sound.

To limit yourself to the information, just keeps you locked into an uncritical bubble.. how critical of a thinker can you be if you don't get all the info.

From the power grid, the raw materials needed to be mined, where that material comes from, labour force shortages, and all the microchips need to run all this; Peter Zeihan, paints a picture of a changing world most people aren't even aware of. Globalizm is dead, and with it a lot of things people now, take for granted.

Frank

Fair enough as I know little about Rogan except from watching UFC guys beat the snot out of each other, I saw his name from AZscorp's post, regards globalism is dead - sounds pretty extreme but definately things are changing and alliances being formed, Britain had it's 100+ yrs of global dominance and some would say we (US) have had ours. Maybe I'll tune into Rogan, thanks

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