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Will the Livernois tune prevent the trans from self-destructing <150-175k if used in a variety of conditions (city, road trips, towing)?

I too like the OP would like to get 200k out of mine or more.

Guessing by the failures posted on other forums with vehicles using this 10R80 that’s a long shot…

Sid may be onto something, the units (when driven stop-and-go traffic) with larger tires may not be up to the task…

I feel sorry for the OP however a lot of us want to know what to expect moving forward. If the $2,xxx Ford powertrain extended warranty to 175k is a good idea, we’d like to know.

Basically, spend the $$ on a tune that voids warranty or keep it stock and get an extended warranty? Or do nothing?
It is unknown if the tune would help prevent it or not. I was o ly able to reach 54K before it was totaled. Also it depends on how one treats the vehicle.
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Locking out is super easy...just push down button...once takes out 10th, twice 9th, three times 8th, etc...unlock is reverse procedure
I know it's easy. But the few times I tried it it just seemed too "busy" for an automatic if that makes sense.

With just using D, tow/haul, and S there was less thought involved. Get in, put in D, hit the tow/haul button, and go. Then a simple move into S if needed or a button push to get back to D.

Six of one, half dozen of another. The important point is that there are multiple ways to get a factory Ranger to shift better.
 

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It is unknown if the tune would help prevent it or not. I was o ly able to reach 54K before it was totaled. Also it depends on how one treats the vehicle.
Can someone in the know (perhaps P.A. Schicke) provide a guideline for best longevity? On some of the import forums (Nissan/Lexus) members are saying firm shifts are good and best for the transmission. That would mean for us Rangers, driving in Tow/Haul 100% of the time.

Is this advisable? Tow/Haul when used with a trailer produces the firmest shifts I have seen. And yes, I’d like mine to last past what Sid got with his.

My 10R80 has never slipped once in Tow/Haul but it was always with a lot of towing load too..
 

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Can someone in the know (perhaps P.A. Schicke) provide a guideline for best longevity? On some of the import forums (Nissan/Lexus) members are saying firm shifts are good and best for the transmission. That would mean for us Rangers, driving in Tow/Haul 100% of the time.

Is this advisable? Tow/Haul when used with a trailer produces the firmest shifts I have seen. And yes, I’d like mine to last past what Sid got with his.

My 10R80 has never slipped once in Tow/Haul but it was always with a lot of towing load too..
I don't know about the modern high tech transmissions but they used to say the soft smooth unnoticeable shifts are hard on clutches an build a lot of heat. When I did the shift kit in my old dinosaur AOD the hard firm quick shifts were said to be easier on it since they didn't build heat in the clutches. Your mileage may vary I guess
 

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Thank you!

Now if only the Ford Performance tune and Ford PowertrainCARE extended warranty could be stacked, that would be great!

To the OP - is the 3 year warranty on the replacement transmission only valid with the stock tire size?

Inquiring minds would like to know…
 


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Will the Livernois tune prevent the trans from self-destructing <150-175k if used in a variety of conditions (city, road trips, towing)?

I too like the OP would like to get 200k out of mine or more.

Guessing by the failures posted on other forums with vehicles using this 10R80 that’s a long shot…

Sid may be onto something, the units (when driven stop-and-go traffic) with larger tires may not be up to the task…

I feel sorry for the OP however a lot of us want to know what to expect moving forward. If the $2,xxx Ford powertrain extended warranty to 175k is a good idea, we’d like to know.

Basically, spend the $$ on a tune that voids warranty or keep it stock and get an extended warranty? Or do nothing?
Our transmission calibrations include increased shift pressures and decreased torque management as well which can help out with transmission longevity since it shifts quicker / firmer spending less time wearing the clutch materials and things of that nature. So tuning along with keeping up on the transmission fluid service intervals are two things that can help promote the best lifespans possible.

Do you guys have a tune for using 87 and all around driving? Not necessarily tow or performance specific. Never have considered a tune until now. Don’t know much about them.
We do offer less aggressive 87+ octane capable tunes that are suitable for use when daily driving as well as more spirited performance types of driving as well. Then we can also offer optional adjustments such as softer shifts, skip shifting on / off, start stop disabled as well to name a few. Feel free to give us a call email or PM and we would be happy to help explain our offerings a bit further in depth or to place an order as well!

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Our transmission calibrations include increased shift pressures and decreased torque management as well which can help out with transmission longevity since it shifts quicker / firmer spending less time wearing the clutch materials and things of that nature. So tuning along with keeping up on the transmission fluid service intervals are two things that can help promote the best lifespans possible.



We do offer less aggressive 87+ octane capable tunes that are suitable for use when daily driving as well as more spirited performance types of driving as well. Then we can also offer optional adjustments such as softer shifts, skip shifting on / off, start stop disabled as well to name a few. Feel free to give us a call email or PM and we would be happy to help explain our offerings a bit further in depth or to place an order as well!

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Yeah a less aggressive 87 tune would be perfect. I’ve got a few suspension upgrades to get done and then after that I’ll speak with you guys if I’m still not happy with the shifting. FYI I’m pretty inept when it comes to stuff like this so if I did get it expect to have to baby me through the install lol. Just a warning.
 

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Thank you!

Now if only the Ford Performance tune and Ford PowertrainCARE extended warranty could be stacked, that would be great!

To the OP - is the 3 year warranty on the replacement transmission only valid with the stock tire size?

Inquiring minds would like to know…
With me driving over 400-450 miles a week im guessing I would be out of warranty anyways if something were to happen. That’s why I didn’t get the extended warranty because I would hit the miles way before the timeframe on the warranty. I figured there is a reason they still sell the warranty, they’re obviously making money off people who rack up the miles quickly but who knows anything could still happen. I also couldn’t stomach adding anything else price wise even though I got a good deal on my truck. Prices have gotten crazy. I could have spent way more and gotten a full-size but would have been sick to my stomach look at the monthly bills lol. I put over 2/3s down and still don’t like my bill. The days of 20k new full size trucks are long gone. I miss those days.
 

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Do you guys have a tune for using 87 and all around driving? Not necessarily tow or performance specific. Never have considered a tune until now. Don’t know much about them.
So you are aware the Tow Tune from Livernois will alow you to run 87-93 octane with no problems. For me it was usually 91 since that is premium in Colorado.
 

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Thanks, and nice to hear from the Livernois folks. Will consider your tune once my warranty is up, although I would probably want a less aggressive tune for daily driving.

Sid - I hope the new transmission works out great, that is a nice truck and here’s to 200k more miles out of your new (hopefully trouble free) 10R80!
 

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Thanks, and nice to hear from the Livernois folks. Will consider your tune once my warranty is up, although I would probably want a less aggressive tune for daily driving.

Sid - I hope the new transmission works out great, that is a nice truck and here’s to 200k more miles out of your new (hopefully trouble free) 10R80!
Kinda hard to get a tune that is less agressive than the Tow tunes out there. At that point you simply leave it stock. Why you ask? Well the Tow tune doesn't have as much power as the performance tune as it focuses more on efficiency over max power. Simple as that
 
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People are still thinking the Ranger transmission is flawed, yet it's been in use since 2013.
How many millions of vehicles out there have this 'flawed' transmission?
Anyone here with over 100K?
 

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Out of curiosity I asked a good friend who’s a software engineer and long time drag racer/engine builder with knowledge of both the Ford and GM variants of the 10R80/10L80E.

He said:

The units, although developed in a joint venture between GM and Ford, have both hardware and software differences. Car applications (such as Camaro and Mustang) have a different torque converter and are intended for 2WD performance applications. Capacities, cooling requirements, and shift profiles are optimized for the cars and weight they are used in.

Units made for truck use have software made to work with auto start-stop and active fuel management (GM 4cyl / 8cyl modes) along with a higher stall torque converter…and 4x4 applications are designed to be used with a transfer case, designed and meant for towing.

So they shift differently in each application, the 4cyl and 8cyl truck transmissions (our units) have higher stall converters (more heat requiring different cooling) and the units are not just interchangeable.

Also, units with a rear end closer to the trans (Camaro, for example) will feel like it shifts “firmer” to the driver due to less losses in drive shaft and no transfer case. At least that’s what I’m told, this is more his opinion, but he has been racing for decades and is a super smart guy.
 

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I was wonder if there was a difference in internal transmission gear ratios in Ranger, F150 or Mustang. Research shows that they all use the same gear ratios in the 10R80.

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