Future Ranger Gets a Diesel Powertrain Option! (Rumors)

[Hounddog409]

This is why.
Volume and staying #1.

http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/ford/ford-f-series/


and

https://www.thedrive.com/news/27821...diocre-q1-sales-trails-behind-nissan-frontier

Q1 when ford was just starting up production? This is what you are going by? The Ranger is working on a shortened model year. Every other manufacturer had at least a month's head start. none of this was "unforeseen" or not forecast.

And yet the Ranger will still outsell Nissan, Honda, and GM. buy a lot. I wouldn't be shocked if they are close to or over the Chevy at the end of the model year. #3 at worst for a first year return. I would bet a lot of $$ that is exactly where Ford was planing after the initial release and a short year.

And you are changing argument from hot sellers don't discount to best seller has to discount? which is it?

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[Hounddog409]

So you're in the hole if the diesel engine costs more than the gas engine. And you didn't count the fuel filters or DEF. And your mpg for the ranger is a lowball. And for that negative return you get to deal with all the little annoyances like stinking of fuel after filling up, or looking for a station that sells diesel, or finding that the one diesel pump is broken, or having a truck with less horsepower. For a commuter that got 50mpg back when comparable gassers got 35 it was worth it; for a midsize truck that gets in the upper 20s when the gas competition is in mid 20s the numbers just don't make sense.

If? The diesel will be more at purchase. by at least 2K over the gas engine. GM is what 4K for the diesel option?

and near me gas is 2.37/gal and diesel is 3.79/gal. that is a large difference. and given the GM diesel is only a what, 200 lb/ft increase in torque over the ecoboost? I don't see the point.

 

[doug910]

Unless you're doing a lot of heavy towing. With the Ecoboost, getting the power needed for towing relies on heavy use of the turbo, killing the mileage and leading to premature demise of the turbo. But for most potential ranger buyers, you're absolutely right: with the Ecoboost, the diesel doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

I see this argument a lot, that the turbos in EB engines will die prematurely for long term heavy duty towing. But I don't think that the argument holds when you're comparing that to heavy duty towing with diesels? Diesels are in the same boat with being heavy in the turbo when you're towing.

 

[t4thfavor]

If? The diesel will be more at purchase. by at least 2K over the gas engine. GM is what 4K for the diesel option?

and near me gas is 2.37/gal and diesel is 3.79/gal. that is a large difference. and given the GM diesel is only a what, 200 lb/ft increase in torque over the ecoboost? I don't see the point.

When all of those Colorado "Duramax" engines start hitting 100K or 6 years in hot climates, timing belts will begin to fail, and people will begin to realize what a grave mistake taking the duramax over the V6 was. GM software flashed the IPC to warn timing belt replacement at 150K or 7 years when the belt is from Goodyear and only rated at 100K or 6 years like every other belt on the market. I don't think GM wanted them failing before the extended 6 year warranties were expired, so they just changed the rules.

 

[joeb427]

Q1 when ford was just starting up production? This is what you are going by? The Ranger is working on a shortened model year. Every other manufacturer had at least a month's head start. none of this was "unforeseen" or not forecast.

And yet the Ranger will still outsell Nissan, Honda, and GM. buy a lot. I wouldn't be shocked if they are close to or over the Chevy at the end of the model year. #3 at worst for a first year return. I would bet a lot of $$ that is exactly where Ford was planing after the initial release and a short year.

And you are changing argument from hot sellers don't discount to best seller has to discount? which is it?

Being #1 in sales is important for Ford. They will discount to stay #1.
Look at these discounts.
https://www.fordlincolncharlotte.com/search-new-ford-inventory.html?Make=Ford&Model=F-150

The Ranger is a new model that is being discounted over $5K. Do you think Ford would discount that much if the model was selling well?
The Ranger will not outsell or come close to Tacoma sales. Hell, a 15 year old design Frontier is outselling it.

 

[VAMike]

Hell, a 15 year old design Frontier is outselling it.

That's not even true, so it's becoming more clear that you're just trolling. Hopefully this site doesn't go that way and become another troll bridge on the internet.

 

[Cerwin D. Vega]

Because I have a Diesel in the family, I feel free to buy a Ranger. When I need to tow regardless of the max tow rate is, the diesel will do the towing.

Some of the annoyances described are overstated, in my experience the baby duramax is a pleasure to own.

 

[joeb427]

That's not even true, so it's becoming more clear that you're just trolling. Hopefully this site doesn't go that way and become another troll bridge on the internet.

Trolling?
I guess I'm not a Ranger fanboi.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/27821...diocre-q1-sales-trails-behind-nissan-frontier

 

[VAMike]

Trolling?
I guess I'm not a Ranger fanboi.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/27821...diocre-q1-sales-trails-behind-nissan-frontier

It's a statistic chosen for trolling, which only works if you count sales from 1 Jan--a date on which point you couldn't even find a ranger on a dealer lot. If you look at the latest weekly or monthly numbers the ranger is outselling the frontier. (And you said "is outselling", not "did outsell before the ranger started hitting dealer lots".) Find a bridge somewhere else.

 

[Hounddog409]

Trolling?
I guess I'm not a Ranger fanboi.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/27821...diocre-q1-sales-trails-behind-nissan-frontier

You are a troll.

 

[joeb427]

It's a statistic chosen for trolling, which only works if you count sales from 1 Jan--a date on which point you couldn't even find a ranger on a dealer lot. If you look at the latest weekly or monthly numbers the ranger is outselling the frontier. (And you said "is outselling", not "did outsell before the ranger started hitting dealer lots".) Find a bridge somewhere else.

The Frontier sold 7497 in May which was less than the Ranger at 7748.
Big Ranger discounts helped no doubt.
When a new model is discounted as much as the ranger is being discounted, sales are not that great or were expected to be better.
12% off MSRP is a huge discount.
I got around 10% off on my Lariat the end of April which I feel was a great deal.

 

[RedlandRanger]

Unless you're doing a lot of heavy towing. With the Ecoboost, getting the power needed for towing relies on heavy use of the turbo, killing the mileage and leading to premature demise of the turbo. But for most potential ranger buyers, you're absolutely right: with the Ecoboost, the diesel doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Very true, but as others have said - if you are doing a LOT of heaving towing, it would probably make more sense to get a full size truck - if for nothing else than the weight. I learned long ago you don't really want to tow something that weighs much more than your tow vehicle. I got my Ranger literally pushed around by a trailer - true, it was loaded improperly, but it was a pretty scary experience that taught me a lot.

 

[joeb427]

You are a troll.

I guess I'll toss and turn all night now.....not!

 

[VAMike]

The Frontier sold 7497 in May which was less than the Ranger at 7748.
Big Ranger discounts helped no doubt.
When a new model is discounted as much as the ranger is being discounted, sales are not that great or were expected to be better.
12% off MSRP is a huge discount.

man, if one troll doesn't work, find another, eh? why are you so obsessed about sales and discounts?

 

[joeb427]

man, if one troll doesn't work, find another, eh? why are you so obsessed about sales and discounts?

Sales and discounts show how a model is doing.
Judging by sales and discounts, the Ranger has not met Ford's sales hopes.
Not saying the sales won't in the future but at this point no

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