PSA For you folks that are removing / modifying the crash bars to install bigger tires.....

[JACKSMYDOG]

Sorry, but I don't buy that explanation.

If the wheel/tire was not pushed back with significant force then why has it moved? Of course the bumper absorbed some impact. But if it absorbed it all the tire would not have been moved.

So despite the fact that this was a square collision, and despite the fact that the bumper absorbed some impact the wheel/tire obviously did indeed move. And it stopped at the crashbar, even if it wasn't the crashbar that stopped it.

Sidenote:


See @AdamHarris ?

This is how adults have a civilized discussion.

They do take some impact as the bumper and other parts are driven back into them, but once the frame hits a solid obstacle it's not compressing and it takes the brunt of the force from then on, effectively stopping the trucks forward progress.

Here's a head on video for F150. The wheels are also driven back, as they were in SICKQK case, but by the time the truck hits the frame and stop, you can see most of the wheel still fits in front of the fender and or crash bars.

At 1 minute is shows the underside view.

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[JACKSMYDOG]

Sorry, but I don't buy that explanation.

If the wheel/tire was not pushed back with significant force then why has it moved? Of course the bumper absorbed some impact. But if it absorbed it all the tire would not have been moved.

So despite the fact that this was a square collision, and despite the fact that the bumper absorbed some impact the wheel/tire obviously did indeed move. And it stopped at the crashbar, even if it wasn't the crashbar that stopped it.

Sidenote:


See @AdamHarris ?

This is how adults have a civilized discussion.

I may be able to hold conversation, but callin me an adult is fightin words!

 

[SICKQK]

This picture is a perfect example. You can see from here that the bars did their job. Hell the tire is deflated right around the bar.

Impact wasn't perfectly square, here is a photo of the other side.

You can see the offset on the other car as well.

 

[D Fresh]

They do take some impact as the bumper and other parts are driven back into them, but once the frame hits a solid obstacle it's not compressing and it takes the brunt of the force from then on, effectively stopping the trucks forward progress.

Here's a head on video for F150. The wheels are also driven back, as they were in SICKQK case, but by the time the truck hits the frame and stop, you can see most of the wheel still fits in front of the fender and or crash bars.

At 1 minute is shows the underside view.

I get what you're saying about the frame. But the underneath view @ 1:00 does nothing to show that this keeps the wheels from moving into the compartment. That view is so narrow you can't even see the wheels.

The initial view is more telling to me. The "target" on the lower front fender is right at the crashbar location. The wheel/tire definitely moves into that area, and that area doesn't budge.

My truck, your truck, his truck, we're all gonna do what we want. But for me there's absolutely no need to remove them. 33"s can fit with a basic level without removing them, so ground clearance is not a valid reason to remove them to me. I'm perfectly fine running a tall/skinny tire. It may not look as tough but it's arguably better offroad and in the snow.

I think you're running bigger tires than 33", but most here who have removed their bars are not.

With no performance gains to be had in removing them I see no valid reason to do so. But I've never been big on cosmetic modifications.

 

[JACKSMYDOG]

I get what you're saying about the frame. But the underneath view @ 1:00 does nothing to show that this keeps the wheels from moving into the compartment. That view is so narrow you can't even see the wheels.

The initial view is more telling to me. The "target" on the lower front fender is right at the crashbar location. The wheel/tire definitely move into that area, and that area doesn't budge.

My truck, your truck, his truck, we're all gonna do what we want. But for me there's absolutely no need to remove them. 33's can fit with a basic level without removing them, so ground clearance is not a valid reason to remove them to me. I perfectly fine running a tall/skinny tire. It may not look as tough but it's arguably better offroad and in the snow.

I think you're running bigger tires than 33", but most here who have removed their bars are not.

With no performance gains to be had in removing them I see no valid reason to do so. But I've never been big on cosmetic modifications.

I'm only 32.7" and +35 rims with 3.5 lift. I tried to stay as tight to the center line as I could, and intended to keep my bars. They were rubbing on hard right and compression so they came out.

 

[Langwilliams]

Sorry, but I don't buy that explanation.

Obviously a full frontal hit and an off center hit directing all the impact energy at one wheel is a totally different dynamic or there wouldn't be 2 different test for it.

 

[D Fresh]

Obviously a full frontal hit and an off center hit directing all the impact energy at one wheel is a totally different dynamic or there wouldn't be 2 different test for it.

Of course.

What I don't buy is that the frame, being as rigid as it is, has much bearing on where the tire moves. Full frontal or offset. Suspension attachment points are the weak point here and in ANY significant frontal impact, full frontal or offset, the wheel/tire will separate from the frame enough to move independently.

Of course the effect will be maximized in an offset crash. But that doesn't mean it won't/can't happen in a full frontal impact.

 

[AdamHarris]

The fact that you can acknowledge that it would be a bad idea to admit this to your insurance company proves that you understand the point being made by others.

Why are you continuing to ask others for proof of a possibility that you freely admit could happen?

At this point you're simply trolling. And doing a very poor job of it.

Oooh that’s right, these days the folks on the other side of a debate are called trolls..I keep forgetting about these interweb wordanyms.
I thought I was doin a pretty good job of having an adult discussion thank you. It’s usually you and/or your side piece who eventually loose it and start name calling and cussing people out and get the threads locked lol.
And Doug…not even ONE real world example?

 

[D Fresh]

I'm only 32.7" and +35 rims with 3.5 lift. I tried to stay as tight to the center line as I could, and intended to keep my bars. They were rubbing on hard right and compression so they came out.

It's all a matter of choice and priorities.

I started out with same goal, just happened to accomplish it.

2" lift, factory wheels, 33.1" tires

No rub


Took a lot of guesswork and luck to get there though.

 

[D Fresh]

Oooh that’s right, these days the folks on the other side of a debate are called trolls..I keep forgetting about these interweb wordanyms.
I thought I was doin a pretty good job of having an adult discussion thank you. It’s usually you and/or your side piece who eventually loose it and start name calling and cussing people out and get the threads locked lol.
And Doug…not even ONE real world example?

There is a difference between putting forth a valid point, as others have done here, and what you're doing.

A debate with honest folks is fine. You know I'm all for that. You are not looking for that, however. You're simply looking to stir up shit. As evidenced by your revival of this dead thread for no reason whatsoever. If you haven't figured it out yet, that's why people don't like you.

Even you can see that your question is disingenuous at best, given that you freely admit informing your insurance company of your modifications is a bad idea.

When you want to have an adult conversation, you know where to find me.

Looked back: Sorry for accusing you of reviving a dead thread just to troll. You didn't revive it. You went trolling in an active thread

 

[JACKSMYDOG]

It's all a matter of choice and priorities.

I started out with same goal, just happened to accomplish it.

2" lift, factory wheels, 33.1" tires

No rub


Took a lot of guesswork and luck to get there though.

Actually come to think of it, my winters are on 255s @ 32.1, I could re-install my factory bars with these tires, lol.

 

[D Fresh]

Actually come to think of it, my winters are on 255s @ 32.1, I could re-install my factory bars with these tires, lol.

It's all a matter of how much it's worth it to you.

 

[JACKSMYDOG]

It's all a matter of how much it's worth it to you.

Nah, I cut them off to avoid dikin with the fender and extra work.

I am probably ordering the Ready Lift set though, literally only the 1 in a million chance that accident happens and it's a factor and it's found out. If I didn't have 50 posts on here as evidence that I can't play stupid about it, I would never even consider it, ha ha. Stupid interwebs grumble grumble

 

[D Fresh]

Nah, I cut them off to avoid dikin with the fender and extra work.

I am probably ordering the Ready Lift set though, literally only the 1 in a million chance that accident happens and it's a factor and it's found out. If I didn't have 50 posts on here as evidence that I can't play stupid about it, I would never even consider it, ha ha. Stupid interwebs grumble grumble

Solid plan.

I was planning to do the same if my setup got me into the bars at all. The ReadyLift offering looks stout.

 

[AdamHarris]

There is a difference between putting forth a valid point, as others have done here, and what you're doing.

A debate with honest folks is fine. You know I'm all for that. You are not looking for that, however. You're simply looking to stir up shit. As evidenced by your revival of this dead thread for no reason whatsoever. If you haven't figured it out yet, that's why people don't like you.

Even you can see that your question is disingenuous at best, given that you freely admit informing your insurance company of your modifications is a bad idea.

When you want to have an adult conversation, you know where to find me.

Looked back: Sorry for accusing you of reviving a dead thread just to troll. You didn't revive it. You went trolling in an active thread

Lol like me? No one even knows me. With very few exceptions we are all really just words on the phone or computer screen to each other. Take you for example; you and I would probably be friends if we actually knew each other because there’s no possible way you could be as arrogant and condescending in-person as you come off here. Maybe I’m wrong.

I learned a while back from RP that a person better have some hard data and real examples to support their argument on here. Somehow those core RP principles don’t seem to apply with THIS topic. That’s all I’m asking for from y’all is…just 1 example..

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