Maximum Expected HP from tuning Ranger?

[Frenchy]

If I ever have issues with my 5 star tunes I can literally drive to their shop. They aren’t far from me.

There are always going to people who have bad luck with their cars/trucks. I’ve tuned my own stuff in the past as well as mail order and dyno tunes. With that being said, we shouldn’t turn one misfortune into some type of epidemic when the issue that keeps getting parroted has been resolved. Maybe the individuals spreading misinformation should reach out to 5 star directly like I DID to get clarification instead of making assumptions.

Perhaps you didn't read my post? I stated for those above 8,000 ft consistently. If you look at the highest elevation for North Carolina ans surrounding states you will notice none will touch(but to get close) to 7,000. The max you will find is just over 6,600. In the Rockies where the highest official city is at 10,152 ft and the highest city 10,361 ft and consinstenly seeing 11,360 ft just to get from one to another on the main road you will see a completely different barometric pressure and far less dense air compared to North and South Carolina(South Carolina barely gets over 3,500 FT BTW). Should I mention that I know EcoBoost owners up here that got 5Star and had to get a "High Elevation tune" just to run correctly? They even fought for it because 5Star didnt want to believe them. Maybe you should have thought about that before thinking its a lie.

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[OFC Ranger]

If I ever have issues with my 5 star tunes I can literally drive to their shop. They aren’t far from me.

There are always going to people who have bad luck with their cars/trucks. I’ve tuned my own stuff in the past as well as mail order and dyno tunes. With that being said, we shouldn’t turn one misfortune into some type of epidemic when the issue that keeps getting parroted has been resolved. Maybe the individuals spreading misinformation should reach out to 5 star directly like I DID to get clarification instead of making assumptions.

This is the internet, how dare you utilize critical thinking and simple logic.

A quick cursory glance at Google I see that Old Man Emu suspension parts have had failures. Who would buy that junk?

Wait... there are reports of Livernois tunes blowing engines and have failures too. Well gosh darnit I need to tell the whole world about it every chance I get.

 

[onobeka]

As for Berger Motorsports it is a piggyback type unit. What is a piggyback unit? Simply a liar. Thats it. So for example you truck is at 16 lbs of boost but the piggyback module is telling the the PCM it only has 12(for example). When the PCM sees that it commands more boost. Now that it does this how can you say that it is considered safe? The PCM isnt able to calculate it accurately so it isnt really safe to run.

There is a lot of hate on the piggybacks in the tuning world. However, a remap does pretty much the same: it overwrites the oem maps for fueling and boost. So, while an original map would top at 22psi, the remap would bring this to 25psi while disabling or altering the ECU top boost protection. The piggyback does almost the same, the turbo may be overboosting, the ECU will not notice it as it is fooled by the overwritten sensor value yet it may still be at 25psi as the remap would do. Indeed, if something goes wrong and the turbo goes bonkers it may go at full boost or overboost most of the times, it’s software and electronics.

The piggyback has yet the warranty advantage plus the additional option to run stock whenever needed … like winter time, when roads are slippery anyway. So, I would not simply dismiss a piggyback just because it is a “liar”, Frenchy. Please feel free to disagree.

In any case, changing the oil often and using better oil is a must with remapped turbo or supercharged engines.

 

[Frenchy]

There is a lot of hate on the piggybacks in the tuning world. However, a remap does pretty much the same: it overwrites the oem maps for fueling and boost. So, while an original map would top at 22psi, the remap would bring this to 25psi while disabling or altering the ECU top boost protection. The piggyback does almost the same, the turbo may be overboosting, the ECU will not notice it as it is fooled by the overwritten sensor value yet it may still be at 25psi as the remap would do. Indeed, if something goes wrong and the turbo goes bonkers it may go at full boost or overboost most of the times, it’s software and electronics.

The piggyback has yet the warranty advantage plus the additional option to run stock whenever needed … like winter time, when roads are slippery anyway. So, I would not simply dismiss a piggyback just because it is a “liar”, Frenchy. Please feel free to disagree.

In any case, changing the oil often and using better oil is a must with remapped turbo or supercharged engines.

I will not argue that a piggyback system does work and has been proven in the past with many tuners. But unlike remapping the entire tables like what Livernois and Ford performance do a piggyback unit is not 100% accurate. It still retains the Fail-Safe in the computer but the computer is not 100% accurate due to the fact it's not seeing the true numbers the truck is producing. That is why I do not recommend a piggyback unit.

 

[onobeka]

I will not argue that a piggyback system does work and has been proven in the past with many tuners. But unlike remapping the entire tables like what Livernois and Ford performance do a piggyback unit is not 100% accurate. It still retains the Fail-Safe in the computer but the computer is not 100% accurate due to the fact it's not seeing the true numbers the truck is producing. That is why I do not recommend a piggyback unit.

I agree on the accurateness point as long as the piggyback runs at lower speed than the ECU, thus missing spikes. However, if the unit is sampling as fast, or faster, as/than the ECU, the accuracy is the same as stock, as it adds a negative delta to what the sensors are actually measuring. Comparatively, a remap adds a positive delta to some of the cells in the map. A remap is commanding the turbo control higher than the stock map does, yet the turbo is not a digital aspect so the ECU reads back the effect of its command. It’s a sort of fuzzy logic … not already where I told it to go, open more. The piggyback does pretty much the same: it fools the stock map to keep it open due to the lying actual value induced by the unit. As long as this cycle is faster than the turbo spool and as long as the lying delta is not outrageous, it will be just as good … in practice.

Theoretically, the remap has the advantage of being in the commanding seat. Practically, as the turbo and rail pressures are measured, analogically and used in the feedback loop, both an honest remap and a lying unit achieve the same.

 

[Dr. Zaius]

This is the internet, how dare you utilize critical thinking and simple logic.

A quick cursory glance at Google I see that Old Man Emu suspension parts have had failures. Who would buy that junk?

Wait... there are reports of Livernois tunes blowing engines and have failures too. Well gosh darnit I need to tell the whole world about it every chance I get.

Any post with Saffron automatically gets an upvote.

I don't know who she is here, but she is forever Saffron to me.

 

[JesseS]

So, for what its worth (not much) I have had a 5* tune in my RV, ford V-10v3 for over 5 years, and it has worked flawlessly, both in low and high elevations, and I have gone over 10K' passes. I tow a vehicle so the added HP is both needed and felt on those hills. In the 2nd year they sent me an update without me asking via email and I installed it, it was to smooth out the shifts and add automatic downshifts for added braking on downhill runs. I have 35K miles on it and it has worked great, with little to no impact on MPG. On my Ranger I went with the FPP tune simply due to the warranty coverage, and it also is great, added a LOT of get-up-and-go!

 

[Superdannyboy]

Hey everyone,

First time posting but I’m having a hard time deciding where to spend my money in making our trucks as quick / reliable as possible. I’m sort of on the fence between selling my Ranger and buying a raptor or keeping it and cashing in on that power to weight ratio we can achieve with our trucks.

Ive read a ton of threads about tuning and so on. But what I’m wondering about in this thread is what whp numbers are y’all putting up with bolt ons (exhaust, tune, intake, maybe intercooler). I thought about going with the turbo upgrade that stage3 has but I’m not necessarily ready to go into the hole and ruining reliability if I can help it.
I’ve seen the dyno thread but am surprised at some of the numbers, I see rousch has their rangers pushing some numbers in the 300s and was curious if we could achieve the same thing without the rousch stickers.
Thanks in advance!

A new gen 3 or a used gen 1 or 2?
I want to know what we're comparing.
Also, are you looking at offroading with speed?
Are you considering upgrading the performance of the engine as well as the suspension, or only the performance of the engine?
Where are you located?
I'll give you a well rounded comparison with those factors.

 

[Porpoise Hork]

Well for 5Star unfortunately they do not use the Barometric compensation in thier tunes. How do I know this? For those that live in the extreme elevation like the Colorado Rockies anf constantly deal with 8,000ft and above there is a completely separate tune. For a proper tune that wouldnt be necessary



Thats my input on this. Just take the time to find what you think fits you best.

OMG man.. Seriously will you stop with this. 5* acknowledged they had omitted the sensor data by mistake and resolved it with all subsequent tunes for the 2.3L Eco. This has not been an issue for three years now... It's long since past time to let the shit go. We get it.. EVERYONE knows you don't like 5* and there's nothing wrong with that but at least get your facts straight....

Posted Nov 12, 2019

The P0068 code has been addressed and fixed, it was an issue for some time and has since been corrected.

https://www.ranger5g.com/forum/threads/issues-with-5-star-tune.5024/page-3#post-79401

I have the 5* tune and have it's been flawless. Just a few months ago I drove to the top of Pike's Peak (14K ft elevation) with the 5* 93 Performance tune and not one single issue with it.

 

[Superdannyboy]

An old Ford ranger with a proper setup long travel suspension with a 3.0 non turbo 4 banger could outrun a raptor in the dirt. This comes from the suspension not engine performance.

 

[OFC Ranger]

OMG man.. Seriously will you stop with this. 5* acknowledged they had omitted the sensor data by mistake and resolved it with all subsequent tunes for the 2.3L Eco. This has not been an issue for three years now... It's long since past time to let the shit go. We get it.. EVERYONE knows you don't like 5* and there's nothing wrong with that but at least get your facts straight....

Posted Nov 12, 2019



https://www.ranger5g.com/forum/threads/issues-with-5-star-tune.5024/page-3#post-79401

I have the 5* tune and have it's been flawless. Just a few months ago I drove to the top of Pike's Peak (14K ft elevation) with the 5* 93 Performance tune and not one single issue with it.

This is the part where Frenchy doesn't respond and disappears until the next time 5 star comes up and continues to peddle his crap.

I am not sure why the moderator deleted part of my post. What else do you call someone who knows the truth, has been quoted and told countless times, but keeps lying about it? A pathological liar.

 

[Frenchy]

OMG man.. Seriously will you stop with this. 5* acknowledged they had omitted the sensor data by mistake and resolved it with all subsequent tunes for the 2.3L Eco. This has not been an issue for three years now... It's long since past time to let the shit go. We get it.. EVERYONE knows you don't like 5* and there's nothing wrong with that but at least get your facts straight....

Posted Nov 12, 2019



https://www.ranger5g.com/forum/threads/issues-with-5-star-tune.5024/page-3#post-79401

I have the 5* tune and have it's been flawless. Just a few months ago I drove to the top of Pike's Peak (14K ft elevation) with the 5* 93 Performance tune and not one single issue with it.

So you live where it is a much lower elevation and then take a slow drive up to pikes peak and claim you are ok? Lol at low speed it wont matter. Its at HWY speed that it matters. Also if you talk to 5Star they have no problem informing you that if you live in the high elevation and deal with it on a constant day to day basis they will make the necessary adjustments to the tune.

This is the part where Frenchy doesn't respond and disappears until the next time 5 star comes up and continues to peddle his crap.

I am not sure why the moderator deleted part of my post. What else do you call someone who knows the truth, has been quoted and told countless times, but keeps lying about it? A pathological liar.

Its ok I'm still here to haunt you and turn all you dreams about Rainbows Puppies and Unicorns turn into nightmares without even trying!! ?

So, for what its worth (not much) I have had a 5* tune in my RV, ford V-10v3 for over 5 years, and it has worked flawlessly, both in low and high elevations, and I have gone over 10K' passes. I tow a vehicle so the added HP is both needed and felt on those hills. In the 2nd year they sent me an update without me asking via email and I installed it, it was to smooth out the shifts and add automatic downshifts for added braking on downhill runs. I have 35K miles on it and it has worked great, with little to no impact on MPG. On my Ranger I went with the FPP tune simply due to the warranty coverage, and it also is great, added a LOT of get-up-and-go!

I wont argue the fact that your motorhome may be doing well with it but something to understand is it runs a naturally aspirated V8 instead of a boosted engine. The boosted engine become a bit more critical for those things.

 

[myothercarizahearse]

I am not sure why the moderator deleted part of my post. What else do you call someone who knows the truth, has been quoted and told countless times, but keeps lying about it? A pathological FRENCHY.

nobody likes the French. Including the French

 

[Doc]

Again,
an FYI, Unleashed 93 octane tune, stock 2019 ranger, muffler delete…

 

[got3fords]

What happens if you run 87 on a 90 or 93 tune?

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