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[TechnicallyReal]

im not sure if Sock Boy, with all the help in the world would ever make the right choices for Canada.

I was referring to the USA but I think we have it alright with JT. Could definitely be better but at least he has mostly competent advisors and mostly listen to them.

The problem up here is that people like to blame the Prime Minister not realizing that he's just one of many ministers and not a president so he doesn't have the control that they think he has and doesn't make the decisions that they assume he does. Seems like every week somebody's blaming him for something that he doesn't actually have a say in. People don't know how their own government works, regardless of country.

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[Avanti]

The Senate is working on further credits and rebates for EV purchases. This would be great if it can go thru. up to $12,500 credit for buying an EV is a great deal.
https://www.teslarati.com/electric-vehicle-tax-credit-12500-what-we-know-so-far/

So we taxpayers borrow $ 12,500 for each of us to buy an EV, then finance the remainder ourselves, rather than just financing the entire cost of the vehicle ourselves. I don’t see how this makes any sense. The original concept was to subsidize manufacturers to get quantity up to lower the costs. That doesn’t seem to have worked with Tesla.

 

[D Fresh]

The Senate is working on further credits and rebates for EV purchases. This would be great if it can go thru. up to $12,500 credit for buying an EV is a great deal.
https://www.teslarati.com/electric-vehicle-tax-credit-12500-what-we-know-so-far/

Taking tax money from all to help rich folks buy their cars is not the way to fix this.

So we taxpayers borrow $ 12,500 for each of us to buy an EV, then finance the remainder ourselves, rather than just financing the entire cost of the vehicle ourselves. I don’t see how this makes any sense. The original concept was to subsidize manufacturers to get quantity up to lower the costs. That doesn’t seem to have worked with Tesla.

Exactly, it's redistribution of wealth in it's current form. Cost hasn't come down, the only people buying electrics are rich, and I see no reason why we should be buying cars for them.

 

[Hounddog409]

I have no dog in this fight. As a gearhead I love IC Engines. I also love the perforformance capabilities of EVs and accept that one day we'll all be driving them.


However...


This is what's wrong with the the US. I'm sick of some pinko commie telling me what I need and what I don't need.

If we were all to sustain our lives by what is needed we'd all live in 10 x 10 cells with 3 meals a day of grub worms, a shitter in the corner, and 2 hours of yard time.

You buy what you want, I'll buy what I want, and we can both just mind our own fucking business, right?



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Nuclear.

Nuclear is a fantastic option for power generation. Too bad its nearly impossible to build a new plant.

 

[Hounddog409]

Everything used in the oil and gas industry has a limited lifespan, drill bits, piping, tubing, all the refining machines, every truck, tire and air freshener. With gas and coal even the fuel you use just disappears after using it.

Wind and Sun light will always exist. and continue to be created until the sun dies in a few billion years.

Gas and coal will run out unless someone starts breeding dinosaurs, then smooshes them real tight for a few million years.

Whats your point? The grid cannot be powered by only solar and wind. This is fact.

 

[JJG]

And fluorescent screw in bulbs, dim as hell and contain mercury, not good for the landfills.

Who uses those anymore? They have LED bulbs now, 9 watts puts out the light of a 60W incandescent. And even uses less than those 15 year old CFL’s.

 

[F150stxguy]

I love the idea of the reliability, instant torque and life out of the electric motor. An electric motor is always going to be more reliable than an ICE engine. It’s the damn batteries that’s holding the EM back.

There’s a 36 gallon tank option in the F150, and a 33 gallon option for the RAM. With the F150, depending on which motor you have - you can damn near travel 700 miles without refueling. Please let me know when I can do that with an electric car. Because once I can I’ll be on board immediately.

the day will come. I’ll be happy to visit the dealer less.

 

[JJG]

Whats your point? The grid cannot be powered by only solar and wind. This is fact.

Sure it can, the only problem is storing and distributing the power wind & solar make. Musk is doing it in Australia right now. So, your statement is not fact just hyperbole. Similar to those that once thought you could only start a car by a cranking a handle.

 

[JJG]

My job is engineering control systems for power plants. I have worked in the power generation industry for 30 years.

The fact is, there is no viable replacement today for coal and natural gas. Wind and solar CANNOT be the sole source to the grid.

This is fact.

You can argue and discuss all you want. The technology does not exists today to fully replace fossil fuels.

Not to mention a wind turbine will never last long enough or generate enough power to make up the emissions used to manufacture and install these units. Also the blades have a limited life span and cannot be recycled. They are buried. This will become a problem really soon.

Also, there is not enough land space in the country to hold all the wind turbines that would be required to power the grid. Literally not enough space.

Same with electric cars. Yes the car can be recycled. Thr batteries are the problem. Again, a EV will never replace the emissions/carbon it takes to build the car and batteries.

I'm all for new technology and producing the cleanest power. Fossil is still the best in the game. The technology to replace fossil does not exist yet.

Coal is an obsolete form of energy, it simply CANNOT compete with a pipe full of gas. And once gas is burned there is nothing to dispose of, unlike coal. Plus its much easer to poke a small hole in the ground rather than a big hole for a mine. That being said, look at what Musk did in Australia with his solar power plant. It is possible and will be the future.
If the energy producers were smart, they would get on the bandwagon and start developing, manufacturing, selling, installing and servicing alternative energy options. So their current customers can goto their local power company to buy these options. What a frickin concept!! But instead they lobby, flood our airwaves trying to make us believe the option they have is the only option, Why? Because we've always done it that way so it must be right.

 

[Jim C]

Coal is an obsolete form of energy, it simply CANNOT compete with a pipe full of gas. And once gas is burned there is nothing to dispose of, unlike coal. Plus its much easer to poke a small hole in the ground rather than a big hole for a mine. That being said, look at what Musk did in Australia with his solar power plant. It is possible and will be the future.
If the energy producers were smart, they would get on the bandwagon and start developing, manufacturing, selling, installing and servicing alternative energy options. So their current customers can goto their local power company to buy these options. What a frickin concept!! But instead they lobby, flood our airwaves trying to make us believe the option they have is the only option, Why? Because we've always done it that way so it must be right.

IMO
the reason the power people dont is that there isnt enough money for them,
if the power people would install solar panels then "lease" to the home owner then there would be income to them.

also maybe as has been stated that "wind & solar cant supply the grid" i cannot speak to that but even if that is true, the more panels catching the sun the more of a power array things become & as so reduce stress on "the grid"

i may be totally clueless but it seems to make sense

 

[Fawnbuster]

Who uses those anymore? They have LED bulbs now, 9 watts puts out the light of a 60W incandescent. And even uses less than those 15 year old CFL’s.

I don't. But alot of folks do, my inlaws has them , dim as heck so I swapped them out for them.

 

[wanted33]

Love these EV threads, they are as good as the oil change and catch can threads. Here's one of my questions. I live in the historic district of my town. That doesn't just mean the houses are old, that mean everything else is also including the power grid. When I bought may house it was still on a smaller 100 amp system. I don't know how big a Tesla home charger is, or how much power it has to pull to get the car ready for the next day. If it's as big as I suspect, we would have a problem in my area. One, two no problem, but you put just 50% of the homes in my district charging an EV we gonna have a problem.

Plus, as it goes now I wouldn't be looking for a Bronco EV anytime soon. Ford can't seem to even get the one with the ICE out to the customer.

 

[Hounddog409]

Sure it can, the only problem is storing and distributing the power wind & solar make. Musk is doing it in Australia right now. So, your statement is not fact just hyperbole. Similar to those that once thought you could only start a car by a cranking a handle.

You are wrong. But what do I know, only an engineer on the field for 30 years

 

[DHH]

Like everything they're are two sides to a debate. I respect your opinion and would like to point out the following:

True, electricity largely comes from fossil fuels. However this is changing. Over the lifetime of an ev vehicle the amount of emissions generated by the making of the batteries to the electricity required is still far far below that produced by gas engines. They're multiple articles from respected sources stating this.

Being in the mining industry I can tell you that the technology behind battery recycling is ever improving and will continue to do so lessening the impact of having to mine for the rare earth components etc. Etc.

Oil...the world has been "owned' by oil producing countries for much too long. Where does all the used oil go? Gas engines? Used oil filters etc etc. The operating costs involved in an ev vs. gas are also well documented online. No comparison.

Everything we own has some sort of mineral mined from the earth, from plastics, steel, wood etc. Everything bhas a carbon footprint of some degree.

I understand and appreciate their will always be the gas vs. ev debate. These are just a few of my points of view.

Ultimately, looking at the hp and TORQUE, how could one not want those numbers.

Cheers

I fully understand your point of view. I both agree and disagree. I don't take either side really, as I believe you need both to be sustainable....and in fact, IMO neither are sustainable.
Most of the EV favorable "studies" that I find are based on IC engines that are not the latest generations with the latest technologies. I also find these studies never include the fact that there isn't enough electricity currently generated to support a complete switch to EV's and the studies don't include the environmental damages that would come from increasing our electrical capacity. There are very, very few places in the world that produce (or could produce) "clean" electricity, and even that "clean" electricity comes at an environmental cost.

I believe EV's can help and should continue to be developed, but I don't believe they will save the world and should be the only option. IMO, we still need another solution.

 

[DHH]

at least with adequate recycling, the amount of iron ore we pull out of the ground is going to be less.

Yay India, thanks for cleaning up the oceans.

I wouldn't be too quick to blame India. Most of that trash is from other parts of the world, including Canada and the USA. We don't want to deal with it so we ship it off to a 3rd world country.
Out of sight, Out of mind.



I actually came to this thread to check out the EV news. Man, did I get sucked into a sidetracked debate.

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