Think I Threw a Rod....

[Leftcoast]

Actually, I am a subject matter expert on some relevant stuff. But I know nothing about golf, football, or any other athletic games played with balls.



I'm certainly not Ago. On my best day, I'd be a mid-pack expert, barely fast enough to be able to instruct other racers.

But after touring the MV Agusta factory, located on the shores of lake Varese in northern Italy, I did choose Ago red over Ago silver for my new MV Agusta.

And I have ridden the Snaefel Mountain Course on the Isle Of Man at triple-digit speeds during the TT.

Ego much Ago?

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[Sheepdog]

I’ve noticed, that a lot of Ford engineers, and other engineers, retired etc. are following this thread. And a lot of discussion ensued... a lot of debate...

Hi Matt,
I live in League City,TX... we have no hi

no way!!! You ran the TT?? I’ve dreamed of it on my ZX-10R ?

We have done more stuff than I could begin to list.

We have custom-ordered a new BMW Track Pack car for my young wife, and then flew to Munich Germany to pick it up at the factory. We repeatedly maxxed it out against it's 155 mph electronic speed limiter on the German Autobahns, and then took turns lapping the track that the Track Pack was designed for, the Nurburgring Nordschleife, at triple-digit speeds.

We have toured Lamborghini, Ferrari, Maserati, Pagani, Ducati, MV Agusta, Porsche, and BMW.

We rented a black convertible 570-horsepower Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Performante Spyder across the street from the Lamborghini factory, and ripped through the Italian countryside at 150 mph or so.

We custom-ordered a new Porsche convertible for me to use as a work commuter.

And I even sent my wife on an $860 cab ride in a Porsche 911 GT3 RS Race Taxi driven around the Nurburgring at speeds of up to 200 mph by the late Sabine Schmitz.

And we did the Isle of Man TT properly, both practice week and race week, with a rented big-bore Ducati with Ohlins suspension and carbon-fiber Termignoni exhaust.

How much do you know about the TT?

 

[Leftcoast]

That's a pretty bike. You should try leaning it.

 

[Sheepdog]

That's a pretty bike. You should try leaning it.

Yeah, I was gonna ask if I could have the rest of his tires when he's done with the middle parts...

 

[Rp930]

I recommend finding an oil that is GF-6 (usually listed on lower viscosity oils) and/or API SP (usually listed on higher viscosity oils) to protect against LSPI.

I use Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w-40 that is API SP. I use the 5w-40 to help with fuel dilution as well.

53f3f71c-3b48-4343-8221-04ca6b02d1a3.pdf (shell-livedocs.com)

Your Quick Guide to the ILSAC GF-6 and API SP Motor Oil Standards. (kendallmotoroil.com)

Well now I’m curious what oil was In it. Sorry if it was already mentioned.

 

[Trigganometry]

I have never and will never own a motor bike. This decision is based strictly on the amount of dumbass drivers on the road. Sure I could die in my truck, but those odds are way lower than a bike and my work has really soured me on humanity as a general populous. lol

Ya some of the ones riding bikes aren’t much better really. For example... ?

 

[Sheepdog]

I'll respect anyone's decision to not ride a motorcycle on public roadways.

I love racing, track days, and time up in the mountains, but I haven't ridden for general transportation purposes for years.

It's not something that can be rationalized or justified- riding is simply a passion of mine.

The dangers can be astronomical, especially when you consider that the vast majority of motorcyclists don't actually know how to ride.

Riding a motorcycle is very counter-intuitive- almost everything works the opposite of the way that lay people would assume. So the chances of just "figuring it out", apart from competent professional rider training, is just about zero. And even though competent professional rider training has become more accessible than at any other time in history, we still have people who THOUGHT they knew how to ride, dying in completely preventable crashes, because they didn't even know how to steer or brake properly.

Some of the clues that someone doesn't know how to ride, are things like attempting to use the rear brake while in motion on pavement, fear of the front brake, fear of horsepower (falsely believing that low-powered motorcycles are safer), and not being able to explain how to accurately steer a motorcycle- there are still people out there that think that you can accurately steer a motorcycle by leaning and/or by pushing the handlebars in the direction of the intended turn.

It's tragic, really...

 

[jsphlynch]

I have never and will never own a motor bike. This decision is based strictly on the amount of dumbass drivers on the road. Sure I could die in my truck, but those odds are way lower than a bike and my work has really soured me on humanity as a general populous. lol

I hear ya. I've only ever seen one person die. They were riding their motorcycle on a beautiful sunny day, and a distracted college kid coming the other direction made a left turn directly in front of them.

This happened just a few months after my little sister's helmet saved her life when the same thing happened to her. She was lucky and escaped with "only" busting up a bunch of bones.

I haven't had much desire to ride after that.

 

[Rviator]

Some of the clues that someone doesn't know how to ride, are things like attempting to use the rear brake while in motion on pavement,

Not to derail this into a motorcycling forum but I think you wrote this one incorrectly? Are you implying the rear brake is only to be used when stopped? only used on non-paved surfaces? Really puzzled by this.
For a maximum slowing power you should use them both.

 

[Leftcoast]

Not to derail this into a motorcycling forum but I think you wrote this one incorrectly? Are you implying the rear brake is only to be used when stopped? only used on non-paved surfaces? Really puzzled by this.
For a maximum slowing power you should use them both.

You're speaking of MSF 101 stuff. Our distinguished collegue AFAIK is speaking of elevated speeds with a sportbike where maximum breaking is mostly on the front. Try that on a long Harley and it'll plow the front or trip the ABS with a ham fisted application.

 

[Sheepdog]

Not to derail this into a motorcycling forum but I think you wrote this one incorrectly? Are you implying the rear brake is only to be used when stopped? only used on non-paved surfaces? Really puzzled by this.
For a maximum slowing power you should use them both.

A competent road motorcycle's maximum braking ability is limited by weight transfer, not by traction or by braking power. Once you're braking hard enough to have transferred 100% of the weight onto the front tire's contact patch, there is 0% of the weight on the rear tire, and thus you can brake no harder. The only thing that braking will do at that point, is lock up the rear wheel, and attempting to manage both brakes at the same time, is a divided attention task that many fail, fatally.

The MAJOR risk of locking up the rear wheel, is that the gyroscopic stabilization of the spinning rear wheel is the only thing keeping the motorcycle upright. You're not "balancing" the motorcycle at anything above a walking pace- it is balancing itself. I'm sure you've seen videos of a rider falling off, and the motorcycle continues upright until it is either knocked off it's wheels, or it slows to the point that there isn't enough gyroscopic stabilization from the rear wheel to keep it up.

And to add insult to injury, locking up the rear wheel while in motion sets the stage for a "high-side" crash, a high-energy incident that occurs when the rider's foot comes off the rear brake, the rear tire instantly regains traction, and the motorcycle snaps upright, flinging the rider up and over the "high side" of the motorcycle. And then, like in the Wile E. Coyote cartoons, your motorcycle follows your body, just like the ACME anvil follows Wile E. Coyote off the cliff.

 

[Sheepdog]

You're speaking of MSF 101 stuff. Our distinguished collegue AFAIK is speaking of elevated speeds with a sportbike where maximum breaking is mostly on the front. Try that on a long Harley and it'll plow the front or trip the ABS with a ham fisted application.

The MSF's curriculum has not kept pace with motorcycle development.

I am speaking of braking at ANY speed.

And I specified COMPETENT road motorcycles. Harley-Davidsons are not competent road motorcycles.

 

[Rviator]

A competent road motorcycle's maximum braking ability is limited by weight transfer, not by traction or by braking power.

I'm not sure what ideal type of traction streets you ride on but braking ability in the real world is absolutely traction limited. Body positioning is your friend here. Lifting the rear wheel only limits the amount of road contact surface, and will if not done correctly, tend to bring the back of the bike sideways losing control and setting up that high side crash. Stoppies are fun to show off with but not useful in real situations.
But if you insist on not using the rear brake on pavement while in motion then you do you. I will continue to use the full tractive braking ability of my motorcycle as required.
Oh and no one mentioned locking up the rear wheel while braking, that decreases braking ability, and the front wheel adds a gyroscopic moment as well.

 

[Rviator]

The MSF's curriculum has not kept pace with motorcycle development.

I am speaking of braking at ANY speed.

And I specified COMPETENT road motorcycles. Harley-Davidsons are not competent road motorcycles.

OMG I hope MSF never teaches to not use the rear brake.

 

[toddiscdn]

Front brake didnt work

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