Worth swapping to Tremor rear leaf springs?

[Shaun Harlan]

If that's the case why has changing the shocks to correct dampening fix the problem?

It doesn't fix the problem, it makes it less worse. Also you don't need to lift a vehicle to get more travel. The stock leaf springs combined with the enormous bump stop reduce up travel, so you can get a no lift leaf pack, I.e. APG, has significantly more travel then the stock setup and it doesn't lift and you can still maintain the same or higher load capacity. Apg kit has shorter bump stops

The ranger tremor is not lifted in the rear it's lifted in the front. now you can say it's overall height is taller in the rear but that's because of the tires are taller

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[Shaun Harlan]

It doesn't fix the problem.

The thing about suspension, is that the best you've ever experienced, is the best that you know.

If you've never really driven a Ranger with Deavers, 2.5 reservoir Kings, and air bumps, you would think that your shock swap had fixed the problem with the stock springs.

To put it simply, it's because you just don't know any better.

Somebody that actually gets it ??

 

[Sheepdog]

It doesn't fix the problem, it makes it less worse. Also you don't need to lift a vehicle to get more travel. The stock leaf springs combined with the enormous bump stop reduce up travel, so you can get a no lift leaf pack, I.e. APG, has significantly more travel then the stock setup and it doesn't lift and you can still maintain the same or higher load capacity.

The ranger tremor is not lifted in the rear it's lifted in the front. now you can say it's overall height is taller in the rear but that's because of the tires are taller

Exactly...

 

[Sheepdog]

Somebody that actually gets it ??

I have successfully participated in numerous motorsports disciplines, in several roles- I know the difference between good suspension and bad suspension. Heck, even my wife's Honda Grom has $1,000 worth of Swedish Ohlins suspension on it...

 

[Shaun Harlan]

I have successfully participated in numerous motorsports disciplines, in several roles- I know the difference between good suspension and bad suspension. Heck, even my wife's Honda Grom has $1,000 worth of Swedish Ohlins suspension on it...

Nice! My mt09 has full ohlins.....man what a difference. Took a really good bike to a fantastic bike

 

[Sheepdog]

Nice! My mt09 has full ohlins.....man what a difference. Took a really good bike to a fantastic bike

Yes, the MT09 is one of those "some assembly required" motorcycles.

I like triples too.

My most recent motorcycle is my MV Agusta F3 800. I just installed a fresh set of Pirelli Supercorsa SP tires- hoping to do some track days at COTA this year...

 

[D Fresh]

Ford will probably want as much as the Icons. If that's the case I'd go with the Icons for the flexibility instead.

 

[Frenchy]

It doesn't fix the problem, it makes it less worse. Also you don't need to lift a vehicle to get more travel. The stock leaf springs combined with the enormous bump stop reduce up travel, so you can get a no lift leaf pack, I.e. APG, has significantly more travel then the stock setup and it doesn't lift and you can still maintain the same or higher load capacity. Apg kit has shorter bump stops

The ranger tremor is not lifted in the rear it's lifted in the front. now you can say it's overall height is taller in the rear but that's because of the tires are taller

I'm not going to lie that the APG Springs are pretty darn nice. They're definitely great for someone who only wants to level their truck or not lift the truck whatsoever. But my question to you is how much shorter are the bump stops for the APG Springs? To my understanding they're not short by that much compared to the factory. I want to say it was only what half an inch at best? Don't get me wrong half an inch is still quite a bit but not enough to say you're going to gain way more travel Overstock.

 

[Frenchy]

It doesn't fix the problem.

The thing about suspension, is that the best you've ever experienced, is the best that you know.

If you've never really driven a Ranger with Deavers, 2.5 reservoir Kings, and air bumps, you would think that your shock swap had fixed the problem with the stock springs.

To put it simply, it's because you just don't know any better.

In case you're wondering I've been doing work in automotive for quite a few years. I'm not just some Joe blow off the street who hasn't done any work whatsoever and just changed some shocks don't went oh my God. Can I look at the Ranger from his Factory form I noticed quite a bit of improvement was needed for the suspension overall. When I found out a lot of people are fixing the main control issues with ride quality and handling with just shocks that told me right there that the shock dampening is the primary problem. You would still be surprised at what shocks will do by themselves on a vehicle that's not set of correctly from the factory. You want to claim that the factory Springs are too stiff? Well understand that the factory Springs allow for us to have the highest payload capacity in our class.

 

[Sheepdog]

When we went to the Isle of Man for practice week and race week of the TT, we rented Ducati il mostro 1100S, with full Ohlins suspension and carbon-fiber Termignoni exhaust ($250 a day), to ride the course at triple-digit speeds (there is no speed limits on the Isle of Man outside of town).

The police there ride Ducati Panigale Superbikes.

 

[Shaun Harlan]

I'm not going to lie that the APG Springs are pretty darn nice. They're definitely great for someone who only wants to level their truck or not lift the truck whatsoever. But my question to you is how much shorter are the bump stops for the APG Springs? To my understanding they're not short by that much compared to the factory. I want to say it was only what half an inch at best? Don't get me wrong half an inch is still quite a bit but not enough to say you're going to gain way more travel Overstock.

You gain roughly 30% more usable travel with ApG springs and bump stops over factory. The difference between the ranger bumps and raptor bumps (the ones apg uses) is huge. See pic

Travel is rated up and down....combined. So at a static ride height, if your setup to sit mid stroke and have 14" of travel. You have 7" up and 7" down. That's a very simplistic way of looking at it.

So I can technically have the truck sit lower than stock (assuming right parts are used and geometry accounted for) and still have more travel than the factory suspension. It's all about suspension setup, allowed clearances and a proper cycling.

This idea of needing to lift to gain travel is wrong. You need longer arms/ springs/ shocks....whatever. I don't have to lift. Again....very simplistically put.

I could link the rear, throw on some nice long PR King coils, sit at factory ride height and blow APG's travel numbers out of the water. But that's a complete redesign of the rear end

 

[Shaun Harlan]

Yes, the MT09 is one of those "some assembly required" motorcycles.

I like triples too.

My most recent motorcycle is my MV Agusta F3 800. I just installed a fresh set of Pirelli Supercorsa SP tires- hoping to do some track days at COTA this year...

I love everything about this post. Italian art in the form of a motorcycle, the military vehicle behind said art work and doing track days at COTA. Can we be friends ?

 

[Sheepdog]

You gain roughly 30% more usable travel with ApG springs and bump stops over factory. The difference between the ranger bumps and raptor bumps (the ones apg uses) is huge. See pic

Travel is rated up and down....combined. So at a static ride height, if your setup to sit mid stroke and have 14" of travel. You have 7" up and 7" down. That's a very simplistic way of looking at it.

So I can technically have the truck sit lower than stock (assuming right parts are used and geometry accounted for) and still have more travel than the factory suspension. It's all about suspension setup, allowed clearances and a proper cycling.

This idea of needing to lift to gain travel is wrong. You need longer arms/ springs/ shocks....whatever. I don't have to lift. Again....very simplistically put.

I could link the rear, throw on some nice long PR King coils, sit at factory ride height and blow APG's travel numbers out of the water. But that's a complete redesign of the rear end

How do you like the Deavers with Raptor bumps? What shocks are you going to use? Are you able to use the stock shock mounting locations? Do you have to use limit straps to protect the shocks?

 

[Sheepdog]

I love everything about this post. Italian art in the form of a motorcycle, the military vehicle behind said art work and doing track days at COTA. Can we be friends ?

Sure.

The F3 was the last motorcycle designed by the late Massimo Tamburini, "the Michelangelo of motorcycles". 148 horsepower, and 381 pounds. It is as exotic as any Ferrari- it makes Ducatis look like Hondas, by comparison. It handles better than anything I've ever ridden. And it sounds like sex on wheels.

 

[Sheepdog]

A new pair of tires is one of the most pleasurable ways in life to spend $600...

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