Transmission shifting roughly

[got3fords]

I've been doing this my whole life going back to the days of 4bl carbs. Start it and listen for the rpms to drop then go. Summers are usually 1-3 minutes but winters (especially in MA & AR) could be as long as 15 minutes. I'd rather waste a little gas than damage something internally not letting it warm up and having the oil flowing good.

Probably a bigger deal on older vehicles. and without all the closed loop monitoring we have today. I consistently get similar results when I search the topic, it's not a big deal today. Just don't fire it up and floor it.

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[AzScorpion]

Probably a bigger deal on older vehicles. and without all the closed loop monitoring we have today. I consistently get similar results when I search the topic, it's not a big deal today. Just don't fire it up and floor it.

Probably right but old habits die hard. lol

Plus I like to be warm in the winter so those extra couple minutes keep me from freezing.

 

[Blue Streak]

Back then it was mainly to keep from forming a black cloud behind the car or truck, got it warmed up enough so you wouldn't coke it out. Today with all the computer crap I figure if the computer thinks everything is normal doing what is (designed to do) I won't confuse it by getting it out of sync. I hope.

 

[GhostStrykre]

Thermal camera of Dash, its hot before I hit the end of the driveway, even if I only idle it a Min.
after these pictures I figured out in the settings how to change it to F LOL
Its the goyojo its not as clear as I want

I’m not gonna lie, when I first saw the image I thought for sure you were gonna say you didn’t drive away until you saw what you liked on the thermal cam. As in, every start up every time.

I would’ve been both horrified and impressed at the same time.

 

[johnitahoe]

Don't do this unless you're willing to do the proper relearn.

The Adaptive Learning Drive Cycle must be performed after any of the following procedures are performed:

• Transmission rebuild or replaced
• TCM replaced or reprogrammed
• Major engine work performed
• Air/fuel management adaptive values reset

Perform the adaptive learning drive cycle on a level road surface as follows:

1. Record, and then clear any DTC’s
2. Drive the vehicle until the engine and transmission reach normal operating temperature.
3. Accelerate from a stop with light throttle (15%), ensuring that upshifts 1st through 8th occur at engine speeds between 1300-1600 rpm.
4. Continue to accelerate (may apply slightly more throttle after 7-8 upshift at 32-38 mph (51-61 km/h) until you achieve 55 mph (88 km/h) and the 8-9 and 9-10 shifts complete.
5. Brake very gently to a complete stop and hold the foot brake for five (5) seconds.
6. Shift the transmission to Neutral. Wait 1 second.
7. Shift the transmission to Reverse. Wait 2 seconds.
8. Shift the transmission to Neutral. Wait 1 second.
9. Shift the transmission to Drive. Wait 2 seconds.
10. Repeat Steps 3 through 9 six (6) additional times.

After the final step, place the vehicle in park and cycle the ignition key off. Wait 3-5 minutes before driving.


Personally I wouldn't.

How many miles on the 2019?

When the box is cold, the fluid is very slightly thicker than optimal and you can have some rough shifts at first. It isn't necessarily a problem, but it is annoying. If it hasn't been done, a fluid service can pay off, as well as using 12-15oz of Lubegard Platinum.

There are several users here that have reported good results with this. @TJC is one.

Do you think service technicians actually go through this procedure as written above? How long would it take under ideal conditions?

 

[ctechbob]

Do you think service technicians actually go through this procedure as written above? How long would it take under ideal conditions?

Probably an hour in the truck if I took a WAG.

 

[johnitahoe]

Probably an hour in the truck if I took a WAG.

Has anyone has walked in the dealer service center for a transmission reset and adaptive learning. If so, I'd be curious what the charge in time and money? Since the dealers seem to have cost/time schedule for everything.

 

[ctechbob]

Has anyone has walked in the dealer service center for a transmission reset and adaptive learning. If so, I'd be curious what the charge in time and money? Since the dealers seem to have cost/time schedule for everything.

They're not going to do it if you just walk in off the street. They're going to follow the steps in a repair procedure, and to my knowledge, there's not any one TSB/Recall/Repair that straight up says 'reset the adaptives and relearn'.

 

[johnitahoe]

I've had mine done 4 times so far at the dealer. It's seems to always be the first step in their transmission/driveline troubleshooting. Just curious if they follow that same procedure. I have PremiumCare ESP but I've never been charged for reset/relearning.

 

[ctechbob]

I've had mine done 4 times so far at the dealer. It's seems to always be the first step in their transmission/driveline troubleshooting. Just curious if they follow that same procedure. I have PremiumCare ESP but I've never been charged for reset/relearning.

I'm sure there are techs that subscribe to toolbags like FordBossMe that swears up and down that you should reset adaptives because they've learned the driver wrong and/or that they there to learn how the driver drives and 'adapts to their driving', when, they don't

 

[Big Blue]

I'm sure there are techs that subscribe to toolbags like FordBossMe that swears up and down that you should reset adaptives because they've learned the driver wrong and/or that they there to learn how the driver drives and 'adapts to their driving', when, they don't

Why, why, why, does this fallacy of the transmission learning your "driving style" keep being perpetuated.

It is adjusting the settings to have the transmission to perform against a set of pre-programmed performance standards. This is done to make up for parts variability and adjust for wear over time. That is why it is to be reset when any work is done one the transmission. This does include fluid changes.

If the tables are reset it also requires that a VERY specific procedure be performed afterwards to do an initial setup.

The problem comes in where people all have different ideas as to what the ideal performance standard is for the transmission is and expect it to adjust to their driving style. And. It keeps adjusting to the pre-programmed standard set by the factory. So they reset and try again, the same thing happens. The only way to change this is to have a custom tuner go in and edit the pre-programmed tables to force the transmission adjust to your liking. As has been done by Torrie for some with the so-called "Torquerules" tune.

I know this does not answer the issues some people are having with actual mechanical failures, but does account for some people's unhappiness with how the 10R80 shifts. With Everything being so computer controlled we have got so used to being just the way WE like it. We don't want to settle for a one size fits all transmission program. We'll if you want it you'll just have to pay for it.

 

[Grandaccess]

I’m not gonna lie, when I first saw the image I thought for sure you were gonna say you didn’t drive away until you saw what you liked on the thermal cam. As in, every start up every time.

I would’ve been both horrified and impressed at the same time.

I havent even used it yet to look at the engine or under it
Im still sitting in the driveway waiting for it to warm up hahahaha

 

[TJC]

Don't do this unless you're willing to do the proper relearn.

The Adaptive Learning Drive Cycle must be performed after any of the following procedures are performed:

• Transmission rebuild or replaced
• TCM replaced or reprogrammed
• Major engine work performed
• Air/fuel management adaptive values reset

Perform the adaptive learning drive cycle on a level road surface as follows:

1. Record, and then clear any DTC’s
2. Drive the vehicle until the engine and transmission reach normal operating temperature.
3. Accelerate from a stop with light throttle (15%), ensuring that upshifts 1st through 8th occur at engine speeds between 1300-1600 rpm.
4. Continue to accelerate (may apply slightly more throttle after 7-8 upshift at 32-38 mph (51-61 km/h) until you achieve 55 mph (88 km/h) and the 8-9 and 9-10 shifts complete.
5. Brake very gently to a complete stop and hold the foot brake for five (5) seconds.
6. Shift the transmission to Neutral. Wait 1 second.
7. Shift the transmission to Reverse. Wait 2 seconds.
8. Shift the transmission to Neutral. Wait 1 second.
9. Shift the transmission to Drive. Wait 2 seconds.
10. Repeat Steps 3 through 9 six (6) additional times.

After the final step, place the vehicle in park and cycle the ignition key off. Wait 3-5 minutes before driving.


Personally I wouldn't.

How many miles on the 2019?

When the box is cold, the fluid is very slightly thicker than optimal and you can have some rough shifts at first. It isn't necessarily a problem, but it is annoying. If it hasn't been done, a fluid service can pay off, as well as using 12-15oz of Lubegard Platinum.

There are several users here that have reported good results with this. @TJC is one.

I did this procedure on my 2020 Ranger after each fluid change, and when I reset the tables. Waited until late night when traffic extremely low, then went out to an empty 4 lane highway, and took my time to get it right. Performed it 3 times and it did smooth things out. I took my bride with the check list to insure we followed the procedure to the letter - kinda like the preflight and landing checklists when I learned to fly. Worked great for me.

But you need a lot of flat open space with little distractions and traffic. 2am worked perfectly.

 

[got3fords]

I did this procedure on my 2020 Ranger after each fluid change, and when I reset the tables. Waited until late night when traffic extremely low, then went out to an empty 4 lane highway, and took my time to get it right. Performed it 3 times and it did smooth things out. I took my bride with the check list to insure we followed the procedure to the letter - kinda like the preflight and landing checklists when I learned to fly. Worked great for me.

But you need a lot of flat open space with little distractions and traffic. 2am worked perfectly.

Sounds like quite a hassle. Can't they just hook up the OBDII and toggle a bit?

 

[TJC]

Sounds like quite a hassle. Can't they just hook up the OBDII and toggle a bit?

It wasn't hard, but you had to be precise, and you could feel the transmission adjusting. It also didn't take a lot of time.

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