Transmission finally died

[LawnMM]

Everyone saying they should recall is kidding themselves. These are in the F150 (millions sold) the Explorer, the Ranger, the Mustang... you're probably talking 100+ million transmissions you'd have to recall combined.

They're beyond committed at this point. They'll be doing warranty and upgrades till they go under. They'll never do a recall it'll be their end. They can't sell enough F150s to make up for that many new tranny's

That's besides the point, what are they going to put in their place? You don't just drop something else in, you'd need something else ready to go and programming logic to go with it.

It would cost them less to fix it at this point and I think that's what we're seeing. First with the CDF drum and now the upgraded housings. Don't be surprised to see a revised valve body in the future.

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[Dereku]

Everyone saying they should recall is kidding themselves. These are in the F150 (millions sold) the Explorer, the Ranger, the Mustang... you're probably talking 100+ million transmissions you'd have to recall combined.

They're beyond committed at this point. They'll be doing warranty and upgrades till they go under. They'll never do a recall it'll be their end. They can't sell enough F150s to make up for that many new tranny's

That's besides the point, what are they going to put in their place? You don't just drop something else in, you'd need something else ready to go and programming logic to go with it.

It would cost them less to fix it at this point and I think that's what we're seeing. First with the CDF drum and now the upgraded housings. Don't be surprised to see a revised valve body in the future.

Well there is a lawsuit about these transmissions right now. They might be forced at one point to fix them all. Same thing with the focus. Honestly for the most part all Ford transmissions have been pretty bad in the last 10 years.

 

[HeavyDuty]

".....there's what, 12k+ people on this site, and there have been how many reports of transmission failures? even if the failure rate gets as high as 1%, it makes no sense at all to spend thousands of dollars to try to prevent something that unlikely--especially since there's no evidence that it would help, and especially since that's money down the toilet if the truck is disposed for some other reason (accident, etc). part of the problem, of course, is that nobody on this site has any idea what the real failure rates are, but that doesn't stop the speculation....."

Thanks VAmike for putting some perspective on this issue.

 

[Jason B]

Well there is a lawsuit about these transmissions right now. They might be forced at one point to fix them all. Same thing with the focus. Honestly for the most part all Ford transmissions have been pretty bad in the last 10 years.

What LawnMM said. And I've been hearing about this lawsuit for almost 5 years, and no results.
I think GM also uses the same design, some also have problems, most don't.

And before someone says, 'but Ranger is different". Nobody has yet to say what's different between F150 and Ranger transmissions.

And and.. I have 53K on my '21 with no problems, YET. As long as it blows before the 125K ESP expires or I trade for a 6G, I am not gonna worry.

 

[Dereku]

What LawnMM said. And I've been hearing about this lawsuit for almost 5 years, and no results.
I think GM also uses the same design, some also have problems, most don't.

And before someone says, 'but Ranger is different". Nobody has yet to say what's different between F150 and Ranger transmissions.

And and.. I have 53K on my '21 with no problems, YET. As long as it blows before the 125K ESP expires or I trade for a 6G, I am not gonna worry.

I am just not impressed with the 10 speed overall. Great for performance and mpgs but day to day it could be clunky. 6r80 or 4r70 were much smoother units.

 

[Dean]

The thing I find with the Ranger is that the small motor is geared down through the 10 speeds and diff, so you get that wound up feeling in the drivetrain in low gears. Kind of hard to describe. It's like an RC car with an electric motor that is geared down.

I am at low miles on my 2019 and out of warranty. But I sure hope that the CDF failure is not in all cases.

 

[Jason B]

I've posted this before. The gear ratios on Ranger and F150 are the same. But Ranger has a diff of 3.73 whereas F150 has a diff option of 3.15, 3.31, 3.55 or 3.73, depending on the package. Notice 8 thru 10 are overdrive gears, 7th is 1:1.

 

[Dean]

Ratios of the 10 speed understood. But compare to something like an A4LD that has ratios like:
2.47:1 1st gear 1.47:1 2nd gear 1.00:1 3rd gear 0.75:1 4th gear 2.1:1 reverse.

That 4.69 to 1 in 1st is where that "winding" feeling comes from.

I guess I should describe the feeling better...
If you ever had an electric RC car and you gun it and listen to the gears...

It never accelerates smoothing like "vroooooooooooooom"

Instead it goes like "yaah-yah-ying-ying-yaaah-ying-ying-ying"

It is the result of a very geared down ratio. The oscillations being the result of momentary bumps in the road causing intermittent backlashing.

I'm sure the driveline engineers have a term for this.

Anyway that is the feeling I get (only to a minor degree) in the Ranger in the low gear.

I don't "get" the need for the 10 speeds. 6, 8 tops would be all that is needed.
The torque converter is supposed to take care of the "in-betweens".
But I suspect one only needs to add one or two extra planetary gear sets to get the extended range and it is the extended overdrive ratios that were the goal for fuel economy.

For a while I was commuting on the highway and I was getting 27-28mpg (which is pretty good). But to me top end MPG seemed to be an aerodynamic limitation. IMHO, it had little to do with the overdrive gears in the transmission.

If you have four overdrive gears then all that means is the tranny hunts around as you hit different gradients on the highway. Hardly worth the effort.

 

[Jason B]

I don't really know how many planetary sets are in the 10 speeds, but surely not 10. I think its six, and you get the 10 speeds by using a combo of gear sets.
But yeah, 10 seems excessive, but you can probably blame EPA and CAFE standards.

 

[Fazzie01]

I don't really know how many planetary sets are in the 10 speeds, but surely not 10. I think its six, and you get the 10 speeds by using a combo of gear sets.
But yeah, 10 seems excessive, but you can probably blame EPA and CAFE standards.

I believe I watched a teardown once and it's actually only 4 planetary sets and a buttload of clutch packs to engage or disengage all the different ones simultaneously or separately.

 

[Dereku]

Well I got it back for a low price of $2199. Thank you ford. Guess I make up for it by doing my own maintenance. Have to pay the piper eventually.

This transmission is so smooth. My ranger has never felt like this from day 1. It needs zero excuse or disclaimer, like it is just clunky or thats normal. It is seamless and transparent around town and on the highway. If I get on it, shifts are fast and decisive. Like someone at Ford learned how to shift properly.

It no longer lugs in the city, much quicker to pop down to 7,8, or 9th gear when cruising. The TC seems so much tighter too. Releasing the brake causes much more forward movement than before. Something was off from day one for sure.

My MPGs are way up too. Best ever before was 25.7. Now im sitting a touch over 26. Didn’t hand calculate yet but the needle barely moved so far. Just a dream to drive. If your trans feels like crap stop making excuses like I did. Yell at ford and make them fix it.

 

[underwhelmed]

I don't know how Ford can ignore the 10R80 out waiting to prematurely fail.

I'm guessing they did the math and don't give a crap as long as the majority fail AFTER the 60K 5 year warranty on powertrain...

 

[Msfitoy]

Everyone saying they should recall is kidding themselves. These are in the F150 (millions sold) the Explorer, the Ranger, the Mustang... you're probably talking 100+ million transmissions you'd have to recall combined.

They're beyond committed at this point. They'll be doing warranty and upgrades till they go under. They'll never do a recall it'll be their end. They can't sell enough F150s to make up for that many new tranny's

That's besides the point, what are they going to put in their place? You don't just drop something else in, you'd need something else ready to go and programming logic to go with it.

It would cost them less to fix it at this point and I think that's what we're seeing. First with the CDF drum and now the upgraded housings. Don't be surprised to see a revised valve body in the future.

A Ford refund check for $6K would work for me...it just means they discounted my purchase price by that amount and we call it even...

 

[LawnMM]

A Ford refund check for $6K would work for me...it just means they discounted my purchase price by that amount and we call it even...

 

[Dereku]

A Ford refund check for $6K would work for me...it just means they discounted my purchase price by that amount and we call it even...

Ill take my $2199 back too. But I have made peace with it. Had to find a moment of Zen after this. 90s OBS is still calling my name tho.

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