Toyota Is Planning A New EV With A 900-Mile Range And 10-Minute Charging Time.

[Grumpaw]

Battery vehicles, whether solid state or liquid electrolytes can’t scale. Not enough raw material mining capacity to make it happen on a global scale. Going to be a niche product until there’s a major breakthrough leading to a reasonable way to store large amounts of electricity.

ASK THE BUNNY !!!! I'm sure he knows....after all, he's been on many many commercials for years and years, and NO ONE has ever seen him change his batteries, or charge them !!!
Maybe he knows something the big companies don't !!!

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[TJC]

you know i had almost forgotten about cell phones going poof a few years ago due to battery issues. some melted slowly some bust in to flames. several people hurt, burned etc. even burned some buildings down. flash forward, sure build a giant cell phone battery with a metal cage around it, wheels, and strap my ass into it... what could go wrong.

Worse yet is the radiation emanating from these phones. It is low level, but put up to your skin for hours each day will lead to cancers in those areas. Read your manuals carefully. Most instruct you to keep the phone 1" from your body. There have been numerous cases of breast cancers from women who carried their phones in their bras (no kidding! right where the phone was located), the same for brain cancers near the dominate ear.

It is great tech, but use it wisely.

And FWIW, the RF and Magnetic energy standards in Russia are far more stringent than the USA regulations (I believe 1000x in some cases). The US simply turns off radiation reporting stations when the levels go too high, and then raise the acceptable limits, as was the case in the Fukushima nuclear disaster when radiation levels peaked in the USA.

Use technology wisely, eat clean, and filter your water if you want to live a bit longer.

 

[TJC]

Ford Will Lose $4.5 Billion On EVs This Year, Up From $2.1 Billion Last Year

As we first noted last week, Ford is slated to lose $4.5 billion from its EV segment this year, a $1.5 billion larger loss than the company had expected.

So far this year, the division has lost $1.8 billion and this year's $4.5 billion loss figure blows away last year's $2.1 billion loss. Ford also announced that its electric F-150 pickup trucks will undergo a price cut, according to Fox....

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The comments following the article are quite entertaining!

 

[Cmar]

I have more faith in Toyota being able to do this than all the others. I think Tesla would be the only other that has the capability right now too. It's a step in the right direction which is positive news for a change.

The whole auto industry sadly is subsidized now from bailouts to extremely high loans which most never get paid back. As far as the grid goes I'm guessing the govt has big plans for that. As far as it stands now there's no way it could handle this much juice going into hundreds/thousands of vehicles without it effecting household customers during peak hours.

Over here you're not allowed to put in a home charger which draws more than 20 amps unless it's on an off-peak circuit. That's why my wife is still using her 10 amp box that came with the car because we can plug it in anytime - it's slow yes, but also mostly free because we have rooftop solar capable of putting out ~ 36-40 kilowatt hours a day on a good day.

 

[Cmar]

Agree that e-cars will be a niche market for some time to come. After all did everyone race out to buy smart cars when they came out - no because they were too small and too ugly. Smart went bust and Mercedes had to pick them up. But they were cheap to run, so operating expense isn't everything. Until it is, not a lot will / can change.

 

[NTXTremor]

Listen, I am not buying or selling here, but I sure am reading a lot of hyperbole about EVs and batteries and grid capacity, etc.

I dunno, but if you could really charge your battery in 10 minutes and get 900 miles of range, do you really think you'd need to plug your car in every night? Don't you think this would work more like going to the gas station? And if I am going 1/4th of the time due to the extra range, a 10 minute fill up isn't all that crazy. Heck, the slow pumps at Costco take about half of that.

I am sure there were millions of people poo-pooing the automobile when they started claiming that there was no infrastructure to run gasoline, etc., and they can just feed their horses hay.

Whatever. I prefer to just wait and see. If it pans out, it pans out, but I am not going to be an early adopter here.

 

[AzScorpion]

Over here you're not allowed to put in a home charger which draws more than 20 amps unless it's on an off-peak circuit. That's why my wife is still using her 10 amp box that came with the car because we can plug it in anytime - it's slow yes, but also mostly free because we have rooftop solar capable of putting out ~ 36-40 kilowatt hours a day on a good day.

Your system is a lot larger than mine. Mine will produce 26-29 kWh/day and it covers our use 100%. I'd like to add a few more panels now that Annie's working from home and using up more than we use to. Then add this hotter than normal summer (AC never stops running!) and I have to be careful I don't go over or the electric rates kick in and they're expensive.

 

[JohnnyO]

As far as it stands now there's no way it could handle this much juice going into hundreds/thousands of vehicles without it effecting household customers during peak hours.

 

[JohnnyO]

Battery vehicles, whether solid state or liquid electrolytes can’t scale. Not enough raw material mining capacity to make it happen on a global scale. Going to be a niche product until there’s a major breakthrough leading to a reasonable way to store large amounts of electricity.

Incorrect.
The laws of physics are powerless against regulations enacted by the bureaucracy.

 

[maxbottomtime]

I have more faith in Toyota being able to do this than all the others. I think Tesla would be the only other that has the capability right now too. It's a step in the right direction which is positive news for a change.

The whole auto industry sadly is subsidized now from bailouts to extremely high loans which most never get paid back. As far as the grid goes I'm guessing the govt has big plans for that. As far as it stands now there's no way it could handle this much juice going into hundreds/thousands of vehicles without it effecting household customers during peak hours.

Toyota is least likely to have this capability given they have repeatedly doubled down on the hybrid train. I guess the battery technology certainly has some shared use, but they have intentionally downplayed electric vehicles over the last decade.

 

[AzScorpion]

Toyota is least likely to have this capability given they have repeatedly doubled down on the hybrid train. I guess the battery technology certainly has some shared use, but they have intentionally downplayed electric vehicles over the last decade.

Toyota has a new CEO since January who is going all out with EV's now.

Reversing Course: Toyota’s New CEO Plans to Speed Up Shift to EVs

https://www.thedetroitbureau.com/20...yotas-new-ceo-plans-to-speed-up-shift-to-evs/

 

[dtech]

Toyota is least likely to have this capability given they have repeatedly doubled down on the hybrid train. I guess the battery technology certainly has some shared use, but they have intentionally downplayed electric vehicles over the last decade.

That's the way I see it, so why not announce you've achieved a "break through" in the technology to raise your status in the EV game, the hydrogen stuff toyota has been developing isn't on a fast track while EVs are gaining acceptance despite the predictable naysaying. Right now yoga is far behind with their EV offerings, so why not announce you have a 900 mile product in development to get some attention.

 

[Langwilliams]

That's the way I see it, so why not announce you've achieved a "break through" in the technology to raise your status in the EV game, the hydrogen stuff toyota has been developing isn't on a fast track while EVs are gaining acceptance despite the predictable naysaying. Right now yoga is far behind with their EV offerings, so why not announce you have a 900 mile product in development to get some attention.

It might keep people (like me) from buying now. "I'll just wait a few years an they'll be better an cheaper". If you announce a far superior product is coming you might lose sales of what you need to move now.

 

[Markubis]

To piggy back off Richards @Synfulz thread Toyota is working on a Solid State EV battery. It could get up to 900 miles with a 10 minute charge time! This would be a huge game changer and even make me a believer if this happens. But, they (actually all the manufacturers) need to have their trucks with this and have longer ranges and not just for everyday driving but towing/hauling too.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/toyota-planning-ev-900-mile-200000356.html

Yeah but at what cost I wonder?
How many volts/amps is it going to require for that charge rate?

Not only do we not have the infrastructure to keep all cars charged, we don't have the power station capacity to handle it. California can't even keep people air conditioned without rolling brown outs. Wait until everyone is charging their cars.

Power stations will require upgrades and additions. Guess what happens next? Electricity prices through the roof....because they CAN.

It's gonna get ugly....and soon.

 

[Cmar]

Your system is a lot larger than mine. Mine will produce 26-29 kWh/day and it covers our use 100%. I'd like to add a few more panels now that Annie's working from home and using up more than we use to. Then add this hotter than normal summer (AC never stops running!) and I have to be careful I don't go over or the electric rates kick in and they're expensive.

Yes we're lucky in a number of ways, we have a long north facing roof, it's almost the exact right angle for our latitude (27 deg south - approximately about Fort Lauderdale on your map) and we run 6.25 Kw of panels through a 5Kw inverter so it's slightly overdriven but that gives us more power in the morning and afternoon. Also because of the climate here we can usually count on 12-14 hours of sunshine in summer and about 9-10 in winter. It's mid winter now and I had a look this afternoon and we only got about 24Kwh today with a peak of 4.5 Kw but it was cloudy for part of the day. I can usually count on about 27-28 Kwh in winter. Our average use is about the same as yours.

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