Think I Threw a Rod....

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I'm not sure you've ever properly thrown a piston through the head before. The few times i've let lose the dogs of war into the world there was no warning as an oil light only measures oil pressure. The fun kinds of catastrophic engine failure cause the oil pressure issue instead of being caused by lack of lubricity.


Having gone through this thread once or twice now and haven't found anything apart from anecdotal conjecture that the oil pump was the cause of your failure. Has Ford confirmed it was oil starvation and not a result of aftermarket modifications?

Then again, I was one of the people asking for something beyond "feelings" that the tune was not the cause of the failure.

Full disclosure: I've modified my cars plenty over the years and have done the song and dance of tiptoeing around mods to get warranty work done. Your situation was going to be peeing into the wind from the moment you started this thread based on how you're presenting facts (or lack there of) and guestimating how that would be communicated to the tech rep.
No sir.. I haven’t received anything from Ford about the oil pump... All I’ve heard is “all the mods”
I explained, to everyone... that I believe to pay to play... I’m not trying to do a song and dance to try and tip toe through a warranty issue... what I’m stating, is that I don’t believe it’s the “Mods” that caused the failure... I believe that Ford is throwing the blanket “all the mods” to void the warranty... I understand that modifying my motor at any point, voids the warranty... but if you, knew in your heart, that the oil pump failed, to throw me the “low oil pressure light” would you man up as a company, and fix it, or just blame the ”All the mods??” The first thing I was asked was, “did you get a check engine light??” The yellow thing that looks like an engine?? NO, I didn’t... I don’t believe anything that 5 Star sold me or did for me, broke my engine... that’s why I will not pursue anything blaming 5 Star... This truck ran flawlessly with their tune and every mod I purchased through them... I will pay to play...
 
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I would contact 5 star and just see what they say, I wouldn’t push them as much as Ford because I would agree it’s probably mechanical but not tune, but you did purchase a warranty from them, the worst they can say is no too
 

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No sir.. I haven’t received anything from Ford about the oil pump... All I’ve heard is “all the mods”
I explained, to everyone... that I believe to pay to play... I’m not trying to do a song and dance to try and tip toe through a warranty issue... what I’m stating, is that I don’t believe it’s the “Mods” that caused the failure... I believe that Ford is throwing the blanket “all the mods” to void the warranty... I understand that modifying my motor at any point, voids the warranty... but if you, knew in your heart, that the oil pump failed, to throw me the “low oil pressure light” would you man up as a company, and fix it, or just blame the ”All the mods??” The first thing I was asked was, “did you get a check engine light??” The yellow thing that looks like an engine?? NO, I didn’t... I don’t believe anything that 5 Star sold me or did for me, broke my engine... that’s why I will not pursue anything blaming 5 Star... This truck ran flawlessly with their tune and every mod I purchased through them... I will pay to play...
Hi Shane,

I understand your position on getting things repaired.... Now the burning question is root cause...hopefully this can be determined and the dealer will work with you honestly on the cause determination.

Good luck getting running again!

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I still would contact 5 star. Worst they can say is no. I'm not sure why you would opt to pay out of pocket if you potentially don't have to. If Ford is saying it was the "mods" that blew it, then have the mod company pay for it. I can understand not trying to pin something on them if it wasn't their fault, but at this point, do you have proof it was not the tune's fault? If their warranty is as good as they advertise, then they should step up regardless.
 

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the root cause is the most desirable fact of this.
and if the OP has in fact paid for a teardown, I would expect details on every part that failed.

perhaps the pump did fail, and the rest of the engine grenaded soon after....but why no light? and was there something that affected the pump that caused it to fail? could have been a blocked oil pick up tube.
 

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Hi Shane,

I understand your position on getting things repaired.... Now the burning question is root cause...hopefully this can be determined and the dealer will work with you honestly on the cause determination.

Good luck getting running again!

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mmmm recall reading something somewhere about some Ford connecting rods bearing a stamp " made from genuine recycled steelcase cabinets" :crazy:
 

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. but if you, knew in your heart, that the oil pump failed, to throw me the “low oil pressure light” would you man up as a company, and fix it, or just blame the ”All the mods??”
I'll just point out that your methodology in this matter is so scattered and devoid of facts that it would be very difficult for any dealership to be able to take action and "work with you" on this. (or at least the way you present the matter here)

For the record, I don't associate my feelings with mechanical function and no dealership or business should be basing their repair centers operation on "manning up" or feelings.

Let's be practical here, obviously the dealer "just knows in the bottom of it's heart" that your tune was the problem. Case closed. Boy, feelings can work both ways, perhaps a better system is needed? Or is it your feeling that using a feeling-based system only works where the customer is allowed feelings and the dealership is denied their feelings? Not sure how I feel about that system.
 

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I feel there are too many feelings and not enough facts.
Lets see some pics of parts.
 

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mmmm recall reading something somewhere about some Ford connecting rods bearing a stamp " made from genuine recycled steelcase cabinets" :crazy:
Hi dtech,

I wonder if the con rod snapped and thus no oil pressure as the big end was still attached to the rod journal Then the motor was 3 cylinder for a moment, re the noise and a rod piece exiting the oil pan before op had a clue what happened. That also implies the block is trash as it is unlikely the cylinder wall was left unblemished beyond repair.

There is a reason I ran Carrillo rods in my race engines....

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