PPE standard or deep

[subquark]

@Frenchy You're always good in my books. =)

Not sure what Voltage has to do with it, but ... hey, someone here can educate me on this ... =p

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[TJC]

@Frenchy You're always good in my books. =)

Not sure what Voltage has to do with it, but ... hey, someone here can educate me on this ... =p

I wholeheartedly agree!

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[DukeCanBuildit]

@Frenchy You're always good in my books. =)

Not sure what Voltage has to do with it, but ... hey, someone here can educate me on this ... =p

Simple, that’s a picture of Ben Franklin, isn’t it?

 

[Sharky]

in the performance world, when a deeper pan is used there is a extended pickup installed. engine builders set up the pump pickup/filter farther into to deep pan to eliminate any chance of a air pocket being next/near to the pickup, same for a transmission. the other part of a deep pan is that the fluid is claimed to be cooler when picked up from the bottom of the pan.

 

[TJC]

I do believe that the fluid stratifies and will be slightly, but not significantly cooler.

I've seen the tubes added to filters to draw from the bottom of the pan. But that filter design may play into the pan design.

Take a good hard look at the PPE pan. A lot of thought went into that design. It is engineered to minimize fluid displacement.

 

[XRANGER2019]

If you get a deeper pen you will need to have a filter that matches the lowest level of pan. It's not complicated to understand.

Also you want to claim I'm not mechanically inclined? I have just over 12 years of wrenching experience under my belt. These 12 years of experience include certifications from Nissan, Ford, Hyster/Yale Forklifts and Crown Forklifts. Keep in mind that I'm still wrenching professionally as we speak. I also have training from before to help myself understand the inner workings of different things on an engineering aspect. If I don't understand something, I take time to understand it. Not real hard to do.

Alert it doesn't change the level

 

[Frenchy]

Alert it doesn't change the level

Text me speaking it's not. Because the deep pan, you can put the same amount of fluid in that the transmission originally calls for and now your level's actually going to be lower because of the deep pan. Have a nice day

 

[XRANGER2019]

in the performance world, when a deeper pan is used there is a extended pickup installed. engine builders set up the pump pickup/filter farther into to deep pan to eliminate any chance of a air pocket being next/near to the pickup, same for a transmission. the other part of a deep pan is that the fluid is claimed to be cooler when picked up from the bottom of the pan.

You're completely complicating it you don't need a deeper sump and they don't make one you would need to make a custom one.

 

[seanellaz]

I'm gearing up to do the first transmission fluid service at 30k, and I already have a Fitzstick ready to install and I want a PPE pan too but wanted to see if I should do standard or deep fill?

Not too concerned about it but I am still under powertrain warranty, I know Ford doesn't care about the Fitzstick but would they care about a deeper pan?

I installed the PPE Power 328053620 Deep Transmission Pan. I chose the deep pan as it provides increased volume of trans fluid (dilutes contaminants between fluid changes) , and greater surface area for cooling. My truck is lifted about 3.5", so, no worry about it getting dented when climbing over rocks. It doesn't stick out below the frame anyways. Remembering the torque sequence for the bolts was too complicated so I made the attached pic and stuck it to the bottom of the pan while torqueing the bolts (HS=Heat Shield Bolts, LB=Longer Bolts)). At the same time, I installed The MBS RS-1023 Extended Automatic Transmission Dipstick for 2019-2023 Ford Ranger with the 2.3 EcoBoost engine and the 10R80 automatic transmission. Otherwise, checking fluid levels via the standard micro dipstick, and adding fluid is an absurd PITA.

 

[seanellaz]

I disagree. Why you ask? Simply for the fact that you want the transmission filter to pull from the bottom of the pan. With the deep pan you don't get a filter that will pull from the bottom of the pan. Because of that it would be better to have the standard replacement pan. You will have less chance of starvation of the pump if fluid levels were to be low for any kind of reason. Also you already get more fins for cooling on the standard pan and you're already have the drain plug. No real need for the deep pin.

deeper pan? still add fluid to "full" level as measured by stock Ford micro fluid level indicator or a dipstick. In either case, the fluid comes up as hi as needed to cover sump intake. Deeper pan does not lead to fluid levels being lower relative to sump intake or dipstick.

 

[seanellaz]

I disagree. Why you ask? Simply for the fact that you want the transmission filter to pull from the bottom of the pan. With the deep pan you don't get a filter that will pull from the bottom of the pan. Because of that it would be better to have the standard replacement pan. You will have less chance of starvation of the pump if fluid levels were to be low for any kind of reason. Also you already get more fins for cooling on the standard pan and you're already have the drain plug. No real need for the deep pin.

True, the filter will be farther from the bottom of the pan, so might not get as much goop from pan bottom. Standard pan vs deep pan does not change fluid level with respect to filter or fluid intake port, just adds more fluid capacity below those items. (1st Pic) Missing any same amount of fluid does not make top of fluid level any lower from filter or fluid pump intake. (pic 2) The shallow pan does appear to have longer fins on the outside, a curious design divergence (Pic 3). On the inside of the pans, the Deep Pan appears to have more / larger fins / baffles which would pickup / transfer more heat, maybe better disrupt sloshing. (pic 4)

 

[TJC]

PPE made two versions of the deep pan.

Early Version__________________________________________New Version

 

[TJC]

BTW, too much fluid causes the fluid pump to cavitate and foam the fluid, which leads to air in the fluid, resulting in less fluid lubrication on critical surfaces. Clutch packs and solenoids start wear and fail to function properly as temps rise.

Too high is just as bad as too low.

And it is trickier than you think, as you may be fine at 190F, but foaming at 210F-215F. You drive around thinking things are fine until you put the transmission under a little stress, The fluid heats up and expands and foaming begins... which causes all manner of failures and may even puke out the excess though the vent.

Ask me how I know!

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