PPE standard or deep

[Dereku]

I just ordered 2 regular ppe pans. We are the proud owners of 2 10r80s. Almost scary to think our family transport relies on these. It is more fluid than stock so its an improvement. Deep pan just seemed excessive. If I towed max regularly I would get it, but not before I got a larger truck.

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[TJC]

Either pan is an upgrade.

 

[Superspirit]

@TJC you explained it very well! Some people just aren't capable of understanding. Deep pan for me as I comprehend.

 

[BaronVonRanger]

If someone could please send a Link to PPE pan and the trans filter Kit. I have the Fitz Stick thanks to this group.

Thanks

 

[Frenchy]

@TJC you explained it very well! Some people just aren't capable of understanding. Deep pan for me as I comprehend.

What did he explain? He couldn't grasp the fact that if you have a deep pan you need to have a matching filter to pull suction at the lowest point of the pan.

 

[Frenchy]

If someone could please send a Link to PPE pan and the trans filter Kit. I have the Fitz Stick thanks to this group.

Thanks

There is no special filter kit. It's just the OEM Ford Filter. It works well with the factory pan and the standard pan from PPE. It does not work well with the deep pan since it does not match the lowest point of the pan

 

[BaronVonRanger]

There is no special filter kit. It's just the OEM Ford Filter. It works well with the factory pan and the standard pan from PPE. It does not work well with the deep pan since it does not match the lowest point of the pan

Excellent thanks Frenchy

 

[Captaintacoz101]

I think i'm going to go with standard PPE pan, an upgrade with not a hint of a downside.

Stage 3 has the standard pan
Rockautos got the filter and the fluid
Don't forget the Lubeguard Platinum (silver bottle) I think a 10oz bottle should do it.

 

[TJC]

What did he explain? He couldn't grasp the fact that if you have a deep pan you need to have a matching filter to pull suction at the lowest point of the pan.

I am not sure which is worse... ignorance or arrogance.

 

[Stevedbvik1]

I am not sure which is worse... ignorance or arrogance.

What is the depth difference ( in inches) from the pan mounting flange to the bottom of the stock pan compared to the PPE deep pan?

 

[Frenchy]

What is the depth difference ( in inches) from the pan mounting flange to the bottom of the stock pan compared to the PPE deep pan?

I don't know the exact measurement, but if you go to PPE's website you can see the depth difference. If the filter was able to pickup fluid at the lowest point of the pan, then it wouldn't be an issue. It's common for both Transmissions and Engines to have the Oil Pickup at the lowest point of the pan. If it isn't, then you could easily get oil starvation with a low oil level. It Is something someone here doesn't want to understand

 

[Stevedbvik1]

I don't know the exact measurement, but if you go to PPE's website you can see the depth difference. If the filter was able to pickup fluid at the lowest point of the pan, then it wouldn't be an issue. It's common for both Transmissions and Engines to have the Oil Pickup at the lowest point of the pan. If it isn't, then you could easily get oil starvation with a low oil level. It Is something someone here doesn't want to understand

I understand what you’re saying. But in the case of a leak or low fluid both pans would loose fluid pick up at the filter at the same time . The deep pan would just have more fluid left in the pan that the filter couldn’t reach.

 

[awd.nv]

I don't know the exact measurement, but if you go to PPE's website you can see the depth difference. If the filter was able to pickup fluid at the lowest point of the pan, then it wouldn't be an issue. It's common for both Transmissions and Engines to have the Oil Pickup at the lowest point of the pan. If it isn't, then you could easily get oil starvation with a low oil level. It Is something someone here doesn't want to understand

I'm glad I'm not the only one that recognizes this con with the deep pan selections. Yes, you get the benefit of more fluid but I don't like that the pickup is still in the OEM location either. I plan on the standard PPE pan mostly just for the cooling potential of the pan material and fins.

The extra capacity just means it takes longer to reach max temp, and when towing for +1hr, I am guessing PPE standard vs deep sump would be the same temp. Hopefully, both cooler than stock due to aluminum and fins but I also don't expect miracles, I would be surprised to even see anything close to 10F reduction.

My concern with a deep sump is off-roading. Climbing a steep hill maybe allowing fluid to move away from the pickup for a second at a time. Looking at the filter design, it does seem to capture fluid so the filter has immediate access, and the filter may clean up the slosh too but I just don't see the benefit of the small amount of extra fluid offsetting my concerns.

If I never saw off-road use, I'm sure the deep sump is more than safe though.

 

[Big Blue]

There is no special filter kit. It's just the OEM Ford Filter. It works well with the factory pan and the standard pan from PPE. It does not work well with the deep pan since it does not match the lowest point of the pan

I can not believe this argument is still going on, yes it has become an argument. Also the are a lot of assumptions being put out there with no actual facts to back them up.

@Frenchy what PROOF do you have to make the statement that the OEM filter does not work just as well with the deep pan as the OEM pan? Is it just your assumption because the intake is not at the bottom of the pan. In most cases the pickups are put in a deep section of the reservoir but not at the actual bottom.

I will grant you that the aluminum pan, deep or shallow will probably only make minimal difference in long term temperatures. Which by the way is controlled by the heat exchanger using engine coolant. The deep pan with it higher capacity will take longer to reach that temperature. Again a probable minimal difference. The main advantage to the extra fluid is extra lag time for the fluid in the pan to gain some additional cooling from the fins and more time for any particulateatter to settle out before it gets pumped back through the transmission. The fact that there is more fluid below the filter pickup also helps this.

Since the filter is submerged to the same level below the top of the fluid with any of the pans makes the whole starvation a mute point. If your fluid is not at the correct level you have bigger issues to worry about no matter which pan you have.

Finally if you are off-roading and high center on a rock that will take out the deep pan then you need a better skid plate package, because it would have taken out the OEM plastic pan also

 

[TJC]

Take a good close look at either of the PPE pans. You will find that the shallow end of the pan is the same depth as the Ford pan. The extra depth is at one end of the pan. There is no where for sloshing fluid to go no matter the angle. All three offer the same protection from "low fluid". The PPE design is very well executed.

The valve body and the filter sit just as deep into the fluid as the stock Ford pan.

The air gap ( how ever much it is ) is identical in all 3 pans. The fluid may mix, but not slosh around any more than it can in the stock Ford pan... In fact the PPE pans have fins to minimize fluid movement, the Ford pan has minimal fins.

Try a simple experiment. Take 3 mason jars of the same diameter but different depths (even with slanted bottoms) and fill them to within 1" of the top. Now tip all 3 to the same angle and you will witness that the fluid reaches the top edge at the same time and angle. The "sloshing" will be identical.

The laws of fluid dynamics can not be altered. They are what they are.

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