I might have to sell the Ranger

[egilbe]

Sometimes it’s just more enjoyable to drive a manual transmission.

OH, I forgot a big one. Millennial anti-theft device

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[rang19ca]

Over my career I drove plenty of Peterbilt, Freighliner and Kenworth multi geared double clutch Tractors. Do I miss shifting? Not really ?

 

[Apples]

Sorry to be a spoil sport. All of the objections are all but moot. Ford already has gone on record about the shifting speed of the 10 speed. Manuals are slower. Snow? Don’t worry about that much on Roswell, nm. But the 10 speed can be manually shifted. But again, try the trailer mode!
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[Rviator]

I may have to sell too, or go back to having a second vehicle, but not for a Bronco.

 

[Deleted member 1634]

OH, I forgot a big one. Millennial anti-theft device

You guys and your millennial hatred. We get it you're better than us.

 

[egilbe]

You guys and your millennial hatred. We get it you're better than us.

nah, just older...or younger. Depending. Its fun to poke fun at Millennials, cuz they are Millennials. Oldest Millennials are now almost 40. Sheesh, I can remember when you were wearing diapers.

 

[ch47dmechanic]

More control with a standard. In the snow, its a real advantage because its not constantly upshifting so you can put it in a gear that's comfortable and it stays there. Less power taking off in 2nd or 3rd in snow. Automatics keep creeping up in gear until you are going too fast for conditions.

You do realize you can lock your transmission into a particular gear for starting from a stop with the 10-speed auto, right? You can even get it to stay in the gear for as long as you want. In other words, RTFM. ?

You guys and your millennial hatred. We get it you're better than us.

No, no. The proper response is, "Ok, Boomer."

nah, just older...or younger. Depending. Its fun to poke fun at Millennials, cuz they are Millennials. Oldest Millennials are now almost 40. Sheesh, I can remember when you were wearing diapers.

I wouldn't consider anyone close to 40 a Millennial. Especially when you look at what the media tends to portray as a Millennial. They're actually Xennials. BTW, almost every tech in my shop could be considered one and every single one of them can proficiently operate a manual transmission. I think the generation people are more trying to marginalize with the manual transmission joke is Generation Z and that's mostly because they're anti-automobile and pro-public transit in general.

 

[Deleted member 1634]

No, no. The proper response is, "Ok, Boomer."

I didn't want to be that guy. Just feeds the disdain for us. haha Best to just let them ramble about the good old days and how we're unworthy and pathetic and the bane of society, and nod and say "yes grandpa", then go and try to clean up the mess they made. haha

I wouldn't consider anyone close to 40 a Millennial. Especially when you look at what the media tends to portray as a Millennial. They're actually Xennials. BTW, almost every tech in my shop could be considered one and every single one of them can proficiently operate a manual transmission. I think the generation people are more trying to marginalize with the manual transmission joke is Generation Z and that's mostly because they're anti-automobile and pro-public transit in general.

Millennials are technically anyone between 24-39 years old. Each generation is, and will be, less automobile-centric as those before. Gen Z is that one right now. But I don't think that's a bad thing. A lot of places you don't need a vehicle anymore. So why spend all that money, and spew all that hydrocarbons, if you don't have to or want to. If I could just hop on a hydrogen powered bus to get to work or go to the store, I totally would.

And as far as driving stick. Myself, my wife, my brother, my brother-in-law, my sister-in-law, my cousins, all millenials, all can drive stick. It's certainly not as prevalent, but why would it be. Auto manufacturers have essentially taken away that chance.

 

[VAMike]

I wouldn't consider anyone close to 40 a Millennial.

Nope, the millenials are actually getting close to 40 and the "clueless millennial" tropes started more than a decade ago. You just got older and didn't notice the time passing.

And as far as driving stick. Myself, my wife, my brother, my brother-in-law, my sister-in-law, my cousins, all millenials, all can drive stick. It's certainly not as prevalent, but why would it be. Auto manufacturers have essentially taken away that chance.

It's a chicken-and-egg problem. Most people learning to drive today will never drive a manual transmission, and many will never even be in a car with a manual transmission. So, the driving techniques they teach now basically assume a modern automatic. For example, when steering they teach to always keep two hands on the wheel and slide the wheel through one hand while moving the other hand, with the hands always between 8/9 and 3/4. There are great reasons for this (avoiding airbags, not losing control, etc) but the end result is that kids literally never learn to steer one handed. In a modern automatic you can get away with steering using small controlled motions with two hands (electric power steering is feather light, and you don't even need to turn around with one hand over the passenger seat to back up anymore!) but if you never learned at all how to steer without two hands at 8/9 and 3/4 it's pretty hard to make a turn from a stop in a manual... Fast forward 30 years and even if mid-life crisis sports cars are still a thing, there's approximately zero chance someone in their 40s is going to re-learn how to steer so they can choose a model with a manual.

 

[ch47dmechanic]

Nope, the millenials are actually getting close to 40 and the "clueless millennial" tropes started more than a decade ago. You just got older and didn't notice the time passing.

Nope. Xennial. I'm 40 and I relate to both Gen-X and early Millennial lifestyles like no internet throughout my childhood as well as having to use a typewriter for my papers in high school and not having a cellphone until I was 20 years old and even then, having to worry about "anytime minutes" so it was barely ever used except for absolute emergencies. I also recall having a general disdain about the world in general and being directionless like other Gen X'ers. We didn't have video games (unless you count arcades), stayed out until the street lights came on and our first car absolutely had a manual transmission.

Found these descriptors as well...

"If you remember dial-up Internet connections, ever owned a flip-phone, made a mixed tape or remember when the New Kids on the Block shot to stardom the first time, then you may be an xennial. It’s a population sandwiched between Gen Xers and millennials that doesn’t identify with either."
— CBS New York (newyork.cbslocal.com), 15 Sept. 2017

"The term Xennial doesn't exist for the sole purpose of making old millennials feel better about themselves. It's a thing because it simply resonates so deeply with those of us born between 1977-1983. We see ourselves reflected in descriptions of kids who played Oregon Trail, adolescents who used dial-up to chat on AOL instant messenger, and college students using mobile phones for the first time. Our pre-internet childhood separates us from millennials, and it's obvious now that we're parents."
— Kimmie Fink, Romper (romper.com), August 2017

That second one is absolutely on point.

 

[r1ch999999]

This has gotten way off topic. I have noticed that the younger millennials are the ones that seem to fit the stereotype the best. Life is unfair, they can't afford a house, they can't afford their student loans, can't drive a manual. But it obviously doesn't apply to the entire group. I've seen people in all ages who simply lack the motivation to better themselves and would rather complain.

Either way, I'm probably stuck with the Ranger for at least 4-5 years, maybe longer. I kind of regret getting it now TBH, it's a great truck but I should have waited. I just hated that Fusion I was driving.

 

[ch47dmechanic]

Ok fine, to get back on topic, why would anyone seriously sell their new truck for a loss just because a manual transmission option was offered the following year or two? ?‍

 

[r1ch999999]

Ok fine, to get back on topic, why would anyone seriously sell their new truck for a loss just because a manual transmission option was offered the following year or two? ?‍

Not for a loss, but if I could break even I would.

 

[ch47dmechanic]

Not for a loss, but if I could break even I would.

Rowing gears is that important to you? I enjoy a manual transmission from time to time, sure, and of course all my motorcycles have manual transmissions, but I just don't see the appeal of a truck like this with a manual gearbox. I sincerely doubt Ford would sell enough manual transmission-equipped versions to make it worth the R&D costs in the first place.

 

[r1ch999999]

Rowing gears is that important to you? I enjoy a manual transmission from time to time, sure, and of course all my motorcycles have manual transmissions, but I just don't see the appeal of a truck like this with a manual gearbox. I sincerely doubt Ford would sell enough manual transmission-equipped versions to make it worth the R&D costs in the first place.

Let me be clear, if I the new Bronco has a removable top, and it looks retro, and is basically a Ranger SUV then I would seriously consider one, if I could get back what I'm into for the Ranger. And if I did consider one I would seriously consider the manual. So, it's far more nuanced than just a manual transmission.

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