Goose Gear Ranger Rear Set Up

[OFC Ranger]

How about a more basic question; If it was not provided free, would you pay $2,000 for bedlined plywood rear seat/wall platform?

I guess the question takes a bit of leap of faith in truthfulness.

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[Noface]

I have been reading Wes’s content since his hell for leather days and not sure I can recall an article where I thought he came off as dishonest or shifty. I also don’t always agree with his opinions (decked ?) but his observation of the topic provided me enough information so I could make an informed opinion without buying or doing whatever was being discussed.

If you follow Wes on instagram you would have seen that he called out goose for their fitment concerns and extreme cost considering the item. He also called out the net company he is reviewing as well.

cheapskate is also perspective as we all have a different view on budget based on many factors. Let’s not be so “soft” with the name calling as we are definitely all cheapskates ?

If anything I am glade he is in a position to get things like this, be it free, discount, or he has a secret trust fund. Either way his review has educated me that while I like the concept, I don’t think it’s worth the price. For something like this I will be patiently waiting of OFC DIY write up.

 

[D Fresh]

I have been reading Wes’s content since his hell for leather days and not sure I can recall an article where I thought he came off as dishonest or shifty. I also don’t always agree with his opinions (decked ?) but his observation of the topic provided me enough information so I could make an informed opinion without buying or doing whatever was being discussed.

If you follow Wes on instagram you would have seen that he called out goose for their fitment concerns and extreme cost considering the item. He also called out the net company he is reviewing as well.

cheapskate is also perspective as we all have a different view on budget based on many factors. Let’s not be so “soft” with the name calling as we are definitely all cheapskates ?

If anything I am glade he is in a position to get things like this, be it free, discount, or he has a secret trust fund. Either way his review has educated me that while I like the concept, I don’t think it’s worth the price. For something like this I will be patiently waiting of OFC DIY write up.

I don't instabook, tweetface or any of that stuff so thanks for letting us know it's not all a bunch of fluff.

I was only going by the words he's posted and linked to here. But I still feel like complete transparency is the way to go.

 

[Wes Siler]

I’ll ask the same question a different way: if the product was provided free of charge and not to be returned to the OEM after the review, some could question the objectivity of the review. I wonder how many freebies would be provided if “ scorch the earth “ reviews were written and published?

FTR: I’m not questioning your journalistic integrity. I’m like like many who have lost faith in the integrity of our media either print or electronic.

You're starting to get to the right question. As explained in that link about ethics in gear reviews, which discusses all this at length, but apparently no one wants to read, there's a lot of factors in all this that are much more complex than simply getting free stuff.

At major outlets (I'm not sure what the dude talking about mat articles and press releases ending up in publications is on about), journalists enjoy the freedom to be objective. The problems come in getting access, and also developing the skills and experience necessary to actually get it right when you are objective.

I think the first car I ever truly ripped apart was the new Camaro, when that came out in like 2009. This was for Jalopnik, back when car manufacturers were still highly skeptical of the Internet in general. I'd worked for like two years to develop relationships at GM so I could be on that launch. I'd been playing politics all that time, developing confidence and educating GM staff and execs about online publications. So, I finally got invited on a launch. But the car was absolutely terrible. I felt confident in my conclusion even though it was an outlier because unlike most car writers, I actually had a background in performance/precision driving. But, because I was the only one to say it, a GM exec called Ray, my boss at the time, and blackballed the entire staff. Fortunately, Dan Neil agreed with me, said so to that exec, and it went away. A little while later, Bob Lutz invited me to race him, I lost miserably, which ended up creating a great ad for the company, and we were all friendly again.

Everything involved in the above was free to me. The flights, the drinks, the steaks, the cars, etc etc. That's just how that world works. Trying to play by different rules just fucks your access.

So, I could say in a GM review that "hey, someone had to drive all the way to Montana from Detroit to drop this thing off at my house, and I enjoyed a free $75k car for a few months," but it would in no way capture all the potential pitfalls and things I've encountered that would possibly impact objectivity. That disclosure would be performative in nature only, which is something I refuse to do. Instead, I feel strongly that the quality of my work speaks for itself. I don't need to make any pretenses or play any games, I'm the best at what I do and my readers know it. I treat every product or issue I write about with the expertise, process, and professional respect getting to call this an actual career dictates.

 

[irv0735]

Install: It arrived without instructions, and I had to go back to the company for some missing parts. Honestly wasn't difficult to figure out though. Biggest issue was they prototyped on a Lariat, with the sub behind the rear seat on the passenger side. On my XLT, that's just an empty void. The plates are designed to re-use the bolt holes left behind by the seat, and rely on the vehicle's structure to square up. The 40 plate is designed to rest against that sub, so i had to recreate its shape with styrofoam and glue to get the thing to fit properly.

Wes, appreciate all the info. As expected, a lot of discussion around cost for the product, but not everyone wants another project when a solution is out there that saves time...

I have a question about your fitment issue. On the website, it actually says the opposite, that the kit requires removing the sub and relocating as it isn't compatible. Do you happen to know if they made changes based on your feedback that now prevent this from being used with the sub in the factory location?

 

[Wes Siler]

Wes, appreciate all the info. As expected, a lot of discussion around cost for the product, but not everyone wants another project when a solution is out there that saves time...

I have a question about your fitment issue. On the website, it actually says the opposite, that the kit requires removing the sub and relocating as it isn't compatible. Do you happen to know if they made changes based on your feedback that now prevent this from being used with the sub in the factory location?

I think there's a component on the driver's side that has to be relocated. Like an amp maybe? XLT doesn't have that so i can't speak to that.

 

[Danager]

Here’s the thing, at least for me. Plenty of people say they act ethically. Just because they say it doesn’t make it true. And, just because somebody questions it doesn’t make it false.
Then, a question comes up and without answering it, you post a link to a “trust me” article. Now all of a sudden I think you’re going to offer me a deal on a used car or ask for my vote…. Journalistic integrity is one thing, but there will always be bias in a review. A reader or viewer is always left with an impression of both the product and the reviewer.

I would say a couple members here need to reach out to Goose Gear and give feedback directly. Not sure if they do focus group research. There is some neat DIY stuff on here. And those that lack the skill and/or resources to make one of their own have valuable input on the product.

 

[DukeCanBuildit]

At major outlets (I'm not sure what the dude talking about mat articles and press releases ending up in publications is on about)….

You should quote or mention someone if you‘re going to talk trash about their post. Disagreeing with what someone says is always welcome but posting it in a reply to another member is a chicken shit move.

 

[Colo_Ranger]

You're starting to get to the right question. As explained in that link about ethics in gear reviews, which discusses all this at length, but apparently no one wants to read, there's a lot of factors in all this that are much more complex than simply getting free stuff.

At major outlets (I'm not sure what the dude talking about mat articles and press releases ending up in publications is on about), journalists enjoy the freedom to be objective. The problems come in getting access, and also developing the skills and experience necessary to actually get it right when you are objective.

I think the first car I ever truly ripped apart was the new Camaro, when that came out in like 2009. This was for Jalopnik, back when car manufacturers were still highly skeptical of the Internet in general. I'd worked for like two years to develop relationships at GM so I could be on that launch. I'd been playing politics all that time, developing confidence and educating GM staff and execs about online publications. So, I finally got invited on a launch. But the car was absolutely terrible. I felt confident in my conclusion even though it was an outlier because unlike most car writers, I actually had a background in performance/precision driving. But, because I was the only one to say it, a GM exec called Ray, my boss at the time, and blackballed the entire staff. Fortunately, Dan Neil agreed with me, said so to that exec, and it went away. A little while later, Bob Lutz invited me to race him, I lost miserably, which ended up creating a great ad for the company, and we were all friendly again.

Everything involved in the above was free to me. The flights, the drinks, the steaks, the cars, etc etc. That's just how that world works. Trying to play by different rules just fucks your access.

So, I could say in a GM review that "hey, someone had to drive all the way to Montana from Detroit to drop this thing off at my house, and I enjoyed a free $75k car for a few months," but it would in no way capture all the potential pitfalls and things I've encountered that would possibly impact objectivity. That disclosure would be performative in nature only, which is something I refuse to do. Instead, I feel strongly that the quality of my work speaks for itself. I don't need to make any pretenses or play any games, I'm the best at what I do and my readers know it. I treat every product or issue I write about with the expertise, process, and professional respect getting to call this an actual career dictates.

I have read your article. I don't think it answers the questions. The reason for disclosure is so that your readers aren't disproportionately swayed by your writing. Its one thing not to say it (though the FTC requires disclosure when posting to social media), but when asked directly, you post an article. It has seemed, in the past, you have refused to answer the question. That seems dishonest.

Again, I don't care that you get free stuff. I don't care that you give it positive reviews. I actually believe that you are honest with your opinion of the product review. What I don't care for, is simple name calling in your post and hiding behind your article about ethics when questioned about how you came across the product. What is the harm in telling us if you paid for it or got it for free?

 

[SigOris]

You're starting to get to the right question. As explained in that link about ethics in gear reviews, which discusses all this at length, but apparently no one wants to read, there's a lot of factors in all this that are much more complex than simply getting free stuff.

At major outlets (I'm not sure what the dude talking about mat articles and press releases ending up in publications is on about), journalists enjoy the freedom to be objective. The problems come in getting access, and also developing the skills and experience necessary to actually get it right when you are objective.

I think the first car I ever truly ripped apart was the new Camaro, when that came out in like 2009. This was for Jalopnik, back when car manufacturers were still highly skeptical of the Internet in general. I'd worked for like two years to develop relationships at GM so I could be on that launch. I'd been playing politics all that time, developing confidence and educating GM staff and execs about online publications. So, I finally got invited on a launch. But the car was absolutely terrible. I felt confident in my conclusion even though it was an outlier because unlike most car writers, I actually had a background in performance/precision driving. But, because I was the only one to say it, a GM exec called Ray, my boss at the time, and blackballed the entire staff. Fortunately, Dan Neil agreed with me, said so to that exec, and it went away. A little while later, Bob Lutz invited me to race him, I lost miserably, which ended up creating a great ad for the company, and we were all friendly again.

Everything involved in the above was free to me. The flights, the drinks, the steaks, the cars, etc etc. That's just how that world works. Trying to play by different rules just fucks your access.

So, I could say in a GM review that "hey, someone had to drive all the way to Montana from Detroit to drop this thing off at my house, and I enjoyed a free $75k car for a few months," but it would in no way capture all the potential pitfalls and things I've encountered that would possibly impact objectivity. That disclosure would be performative in nature only, which is something I refuse to do. Instead, I feel strongly that the quality of my work speaks for itself. I don't need to make any pretenses or play any games, I'm the best at what I do and my readers know it. I treat every product or issue I write about with the expertise, process, and professional respect getting to call this an actual career dictates.

I appreciate the reply and I’m going to drop this conversation as I feel the answers to direct questions are evasive which answered my question. I hope the product performs many times over what was paid for.

 

[D Fresh]

I don't need to make any pretenses or play any games, I'm the best at what I do and my readers know it.

How did you get so flexible?


I've never once seen somebody fellate themselves so thoroughly.

 

[RANGER_MARC]

Not that I’m looking to get one but thought I’d share for those who might.

https://www.goose-gear.com/collections/ford-ranger-4th-gen-2019-present

I recently did a "seat delete" and enjoy the wide-open spaces in the rear cabin. I don't know how much the stock seats weigh, but the truck even feels lighter and faster! I was planning on getting the Goose "plate system," but now I am starting to ask, "what for"? Yeah, it looks cool, but it is expensive, puts back some of the weight gained from the delete, and takes back some of the freed-up space. Am I missing something?

 

[RANGER_MARC]

I emailed them about this setup and asked for info re: noise inside the cabin after taking the seats out and installing their 1900.00 system, got a flip response of " After many years of driving all sorts of vehicles we are not the ones to ask about noise! In all seriousness, we have not done any comparisons. BUT, there is certainly room behind the wall panels to add sound products. " I replied that for nearly 2 grand I would expect some sound proofing, screw that.

I was concerned about increased noise in the cabin before I deleted the rear seat, but I am relieved to report that the increase is not significant--anyway, nothing that the B.&O. can't cure.

 

[OFC Ranger]

Forgot all about this train wreck!

So I redid my rear seat delete setup completely. New materials and I only had about $100'ish in. (minus the custom electrical stuff). I still need to build the backwall compartments, but I'm thinking $20 bucks.

So even taking the old discarded version 1, I'm still only a few hundred into both, and both still have vastly more features than it's $2,000 gucci counter-part.

Platform seat setup/contents:

 

[D Fresh]

Forgot all about this train wreck!

So I redid my rear seat delete setup completely. New materials and I only had about $100'ish in. (minus the custom electrical stuff). I still need to build the backwall compartments, but I'm thinking $20 bucks.

So even taking the old discarded version 1, I'm still only a few hundred into both, and both still have vastly more features than it's $2,000 gucci counter-part.

Platform seat setup/contents:

You should ship version one out to
@Wes Siler for free so he'll give it a good review on a national advertising site.

You could make millions!

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