GM is pulling the plug on gas and diesel by 2035

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That "hybrid engine" in a freight train is a V-16 supercharged diesel engine, coupled to a generator to produce the power to the drive trucks to move it. There is NO battery reserve, shut off the diesel engine, no power!

Ask me how I know.
how do you know ? back in the 70s I worked briefly one summer on the night shift as fireman on a diesel loco that moved cars for Bethlehem Steel. So figuring I'd be up all night working I slept that afternoon, go to work at 11, we move cars around for maybe 4 hours, park the loco and the brakeman and conductor call it a night, the engineer says you're the new guy so you have to stay in case we have to move more cars, but for now get some shut eye - luckily I had brought a book. Going forward I was always happy to jump out and "line the irons" if only to stretch my legs instead of just sitting on my *ss. Then one night the train crew has me throwing switches, I ask where we are going and they say "you'll see" and we take the loco to a remote part of the plant behind a large empty building, I see flames, lo and behold these guys are having a bbq at 2am, quaffing beers and partying it up along with a few ladies of the night in the mix. No small wonder the freakin steel industry got walloped by foreign competition as these were highly paid workers that rarely put in 8 hrs.

But like the fireman's job eventually was eliminated the long term future of the gasoline engine as the prevailing power source is in doubt.
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I seldom rely on weather reports 3 weeks out or press releases looking out 14 years. They will make ICE vehicles as long as they're legal and profitable. IMO they are just jumping on the Biden "kill the oil industry" bandwagon.
As I recall, a while back their customers pulled the plug 🔌 for them on their vehicles/business... then the gubment bailed out GM (among others; Ford took a loan to level the playing field) with our tax dollars. Note that GM now stands for Government Motors, and even though GM announced that they paid back the debt in full, they were actually not even close.
 

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Count me in, just not right now.

As of today there aren't EVs that fit my need (and budget) and most of that is down to the current battery tech/efficiency vs ICE - especially under heavy loads. Engineering Explained on youtube did a great breakdown in the difference in efficiencies while towing with ICE vs EV.

However there isn't a massive leap forward in battery tech that needs to take place before EV really makes sense though. Even now they are quite good for commuter/car but for a truck; I need range while towing and very rapid charging before I can replace my Ranger with an all EV truck but I expect when that time comes (10ish years) I will shopping EV.

I love EV torque, I'd love to "refill" in my garage and I'd love to never have to replace oil, transmission fluid, vacuum hoses and blah blah blah ever again.

Edit: Just want to add - this is more about EV in general. I'm really not a fan GM so likely will still avoid their brand even when I'm EV shopping.
 

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Let's see, how do you manufacture an electric vehicle to do the comparable work of today tomorrow?
 

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Count me in, just not right now.

As of today there aren't EVs that fit my need (and budget) and most of that is down to the current battery tech/efficiency vs ICE - especially under heavy loads. Engineering Explained on youtube did a great breakdown in the difference in efficiencies while towing with ICE vs EV.

However there isn't a massive leap forward in battery tech that needs to take place before EV really makes sense though. Even now they are quite good for commuter/car but for a truck; I need range while towing and very rapid charging before I can replace my Ranger with an all EV truck but I expect when that time comes (10ish years) I will shopping EV.

I love EV torque, I'd love to "refill" in my garage and I'd love to never have to replace oil, transmission fluid, vacuum hoses and blah blah blah ever again.

Edit: Just want to add - this is more about EV in general. I'm really not a fan GM so likely will still avoid their brand even when I'm EV shopping.
It will be interesting to see how the new electric f150 and cybertruck do with "truck" stuff. Yes electric vehicles lose alot of range when towing but seems the new rangers lose about 1/2 of their mpg when towing as well.

Tesla's V3 supercharging can give full charge in about 30 - 40 mins. the technology will only continue to get better
 

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As I recall, a while back their customers pulled the plug 🔌 for them on their vehicles/business... then the gubment bailed out GM (among others; Ford took a loan to level the playing field) with our tax dollars. Note that GM now stands for Government Motors, and even though GM announced that they paid back the debt in full, they were actually not even close.
that's correct - the US taxpayer (us if you live in the USA) took at least a $10B hit when the gov sold their shares of GM stock - this at a time when GM had recovered to the extent of having billions of cash reserves, but GM did meet it's obligations in terms of the agreement - which raised some questions about how the bailout was structured.
 

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The big thing holding back more electric vehicles being produced is lack of batteries. even tesla making their own batteries doesn't have enough. Then you have the charging infrastructure that basically only Tesla has figured out.

Going on a long trip in an electric vehicle does add extra time to charge vs filling up with gas, but the trade off is never pumping gas during your normal daily commute.

A tesla with 300 mile range contains same energy as about 2.25 gallons of gas. Overall electric cars are more efficient and would lower energy production needs if more people were driving one.
Point well made. Internal combustion engines are known for being inefficient. Mining ⛏ for raw materials necessary to build batteries for electric ⚡ vehicles 🚗 poses hazards to both those mining the materials and the environment.

I’m sure that there are environmental impact studies regarding electric vehicles, though that’s research I’d need to conduct another time.
 

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It will be interesting to see how the new electric f150 and cybertruck do with "truck" stuff. Yes electric vehicles lose alot of range when towing but seems the new rangers lose about 1/2 of their mpg when towing as well.

Tesla's V3 supercharging can give full charge in about 30 - 40 mins. the technology will only continue to get better
it's in cold weather/climates that presents a challenge to EV range. but Teslas are really fast vehicles.
 

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that's correct - the US taxpayer (us if you live in the USA) took at least a $10B hit when the gov sold their shares of GM stock - this at a time when GM had recovered to the extent of having billions of cash reserves, but GM did meet it's obligations in terms of the agreement - which raised some questions about how the bailout was structured.
Thanks for the correction, much appreciated.
 

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Point well made. Internal combustion engines are known for being inefficient. Mining ⛏ for raw materials necessary to build batteries for electric ⚡ vehicles 🚗 poses hazards to both those mining the materials and the environment.

I’m sure that there are environmental impact studies regarding electric vehicles, though that’s research I’d need to conduct another time.
heck ya. current battery tech isn't great and there are lots of new and improved things coming that will reduce need for rare earth elements.

There is also lots of hazards from drilling for oil as well as storing/shipping and so on.
 

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heck ya. current battery tech isn't great and there are lots of new and improved things coming that will reduce need for rare earth elements.

There is also lots of hazards from drilling for oil as well as storing/shipping and so on.
Absolutely!

Just wanted to point out that electric vehicles aren’t all rainbows 🌈 and unicorn 🦄 farts 💨 lol
 

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As I recall, a while back their customers pulled the plug 🔌 for them on their vehicles/business... then the gubment bailed out GM (among others; Ford took a loan to level the playing field) with our tax dollars. Note that GM now stands for Government Motors, and even though GM announced that they paid back the debt in full, they were actually not even close.
I'm aware of their history. What's your point? Are you purporting that GM is beholden to the government more than their shareholders?
 

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