Delete Auto Stop/Start ASAP!

[dtech]

While you're all at it do your truck a favor and disable bms, it's almost as bad as ass .

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[Stevedbvik1]

That was the great thing about my '23, Ford deleted it for me

Unless you have a Tremor

 

[AzScorpion]

Unless you have a Tremor

That was the only item I wish that they did delete off my '23!

 

[Dean]

I think it depends on your driving habits. If you are retired and drive locally once or twice a week then the accumulated wear as a result of ASS is not really significant. The fuel saving in stop and go driving may be worth it.

Also, oil quality can make a big difference in the mixed friction regime. High values of MOTC in the oil can make a difference here.

When ASS is active the driver does have control in it's execution. A light press of the brake and all is normal, but a firm press stops the engine. This is how I use it. If I see up ahead a traffic jam then I activate ASS. not so for stop signs, etc.

Finally that guy in the video was not testing a 2.3 Ecoboost.

 

[awd.nv]

That was the only item I wish that they did delete off my '23!

Thankfully there is forescan for that. I disabled it for the SUPER rare times my wife drives the truck should she not listen to me about tow/haul or sport mode only.

 

[Msfitoy]

While you're all at it do your truck a favor and disable bms, it's almost as bad as ass .

Please do elaborate...why and how to?

 

[TJC]

Finally that guy in the video was not testing a 2.3 Ecoboost.

No, he wasn't. His example engines are far more reliable than the 2.3L Ecoboost engines.

Further, low end bearing technology is essentially the same among all ICE engine designs.

Finally, proven engines that last for 500K - 1,000,000 miles have one common design criteria, they are all overbuilt with an emphasis on reliability over power.

The Ford 300CID straight 6, the Mopar 225 Slant 6, the Mercedes 5 cylinder diesel, and the Toyota Tundra 1st gen v8s all were under powered and overbuilt. Designed to last. Those engines all have proven track records. Even the original Ford 2.3L in early gen Rangers ran for 200K-500K if you maintained them. Look around at all the old Rangers still on the road. They are not fast with high HP. They are reliable. A design decision.

My used 1996 2.3L automatic Ranger had 230K miles on it when I purchased it. It was given to my father at 300k miles. He drove it for 10 years. When he passed, I bought it from his estate and gave it to his caretaker, who drove it for 5 more years before she passed. I have no idea where that truck is, but I will tell you that I feel confident that someone in that old woman's family is still driving that truck.

Ecoboost engines are high performance low reliability engines. They are designed to minimize size, weight, and maximize HP. Throw in a dash of greenery seasoning, and you exacerbate the already weak reliability compromises.

Even without ASS, BMS, and all the other (supposed) Eco friendly modifications, the engines were never designed to last for 500,000 miles.

ICE Engine longevity engineering science has not changed. Engineers understand the physics, and manufacturer's designs were compromised to meet whatever popular pseudo science objectives of the day were forced upon them.

All ICE engines need clean oil and adequate oil pressure. But it is even more critical in Ecoboost engines.

So yeah the guy wasn't testing an Ecoboost 2.3L engine, but I'm confident enough to wager $1K that the results would be the same, or IMO, far far worse.

This is just my opinion, and to again borrow Ford's acronym, Opinions are like "ASS"es, everybody has one.

 

[dtech]

Please do elaborate...why and how to?

Why has been extensively discussed in several threads, how is simple , unplug the shunt at the neg battery terminal, you do lose some of the battery monitoring functions, which are of little value to me, I also based on tjc comments unplugged the modem which seems to have significantly reduced parasitic draw. So defeating bms promotes a full battery charge and reducing parasitic draw helps maintain a healthy charge level.

 

[AzScorpion]

I think it depends on your driving habits. If you are retired and drive locally once or twice a week then the accumulated wear as a result of ASS is not really significant. The fuel saving in stop and go driving may be worth it.

I can't see any significant savings using A/S/S especially if you're retired driving only a couple times a week, which I am. Before turning mine off (with a nightlight) back in 2019 I ran it a couple times without disabling it and saw very little mpg savings, maybe a couple tenths at best. Sorry but even adding that up over a whole year "might" save you $10.00 which isn't worth the nuisance of using A/S/S and the possible engine damage and that's if you're driving a lot. Heck even at $50.00/year savings I still wouldn't use it and would rather skimp and save my money somewhere else. This was just another failed add on that the EPA is finally get rid of and realize there's no meaningful savings.

https://autos.yahoo.com/why-drivers...yoA;_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9zAzIEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny

In 2025, the EPA under Administrator Lee Zeldin announced it would eliminate off-cycle credits for start/stop systems, one of several regulatory changes aimed at rolling back legacy fuel economy rules. The agency argued that the credits no longer reflected meaningful real-world savings.

 

[Montana Ranger]

Auto manufacturers were forced to compromise common engineering principles in the name of pseudo science. I suspect automakers went along with the policy as it insures an increased steady revenue stream. Both in shortened product lifetime, and increased service costs.

Exactly. The era of being able to expect 250,000 miles out of a new, well-maintained vehicle has come to an end. This along with the inability to repair or replace complex proprietary electronic parts that are not easy or economical to reverse-engineer will see to that. This will ultimately decimate the used car market, making automobile ownership impossible for the lesser affluent. (Which for some is the point)

 

[TJC]

Exactly. The era of being able to expect 250,000 miles out of a new, well-maintained vehicle has come to an end. This along with the inability to repair or replace complex proprietary electronic parts that are not easy or economical to reverse-engineer will see to that. This will ultimately decimate the used car market, making automobile ownership impossible for the lesser affluent. (Which for some is the point)

"You will own nothing... and you will be happy"

Our world is being transformed before our eyes.

I they can, they will...

 

[Msfitoy]

Exactly. The era of being able to expect 250,000 miles out of a new, well-maintained vehicle has come to an end. This along with the inability to repair or replace complex proprietary electronic parts that are not easy or economical to reverse-engineer will see to that. This will ultimately decimate the used car market, making automobile ownership impossible for the lesser affluent. (Which for some is the point)

The future gen will have no need for any vehicles when they'll have everything they need in their 250sqft apartment...

 

[Montana Ranger]

The future gen will have no need for any vehicles when they'll have everything they need in their 250sqft apartment...

They'll own nothing, and be happy. Or so I've been told.

 

[got3fords]

Has anyone torn down a high-mileage ASS engine? It's been out long I am sure there are 100k+ engines that could show the wear discussed in the video.

 

[Msfitoy]

They'll own nothing, and be happy. Or so I've been told.

Chocolate covered crickets!

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