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Just took a look at mine, it's a 17" steelie with a Hancook Dynapro ATM 265/65/17.

Nowhere on it is marked "Temporary use only".

I have an FX4 XLT.
Did you drop the tire down from the mount so you could see the other side of it?

I have the same spare wheel and tire as you and I just dropped mine today... here is what it looks like on the side you can't see...

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Did you drop the tire down from the mount so you could see the other side of it?

I have the same spare wheel and tire as you and I just dropped mine today... here is what it looks like on the side you can't see...

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Nope, I didn't drop it, so I suppose the stickers could be on the top somewhere.

I'll probably procure a steelie from an XL and put that up there so I can have no such warning.
 

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Nope, I didn't drop it, so I suppose the stickers could be on the top somewhere.

I'll probably procure a steelie from an XL and put that up there so I can have no such warning.
Yeah, mine is a steel wheel and the tire is the exact same size as my truck is rolling on. Only difference is the truck has LT 265/65 R17 109T, the spare isn't an LT, it is a 265/65 R17 112T.

The load rating of the spare tire (112T) exceeds the load rating of the tires on the truck (109T).

I think they put the "Temporary Use Only" and "50 MPH Max" stickers on every spare? No reason I can see that mine is labeled that way? Big ole heavy steel rim like they use on the stock XL's and a tire that has a higher load rating than the tires currently on the truck.
 
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Yeah, mine is a steel wheel and the tire is the exact same size as my truck is rolling on. Only difference is the truck has LT 265/65 R17 109T, the spare isn't an LT, it is a 265/65 R17 112T.

The load rating of the spare tire (112T) exceeds the load rating of the tires on the truck (109T).

I think they put the "Temporary Use Only" and "50 MPH Max" stickers on every spare? No reason I can see that mine is labeled that way? Big ole heavy steel rim like they use on the stock XL's and a tire that has a higher load rating than the tires currently on the truck.
Did you see any weights attached? I couldn't see any on the back of mine or in the photos everyone has posted. It's hard to believe that Ford would be so cheap as to ship them unbalanced to save a few minutes labor and slap a warning sticker on them. ATMs retail for over $100. If I don't find weights on mine I guess I'll take it to be balance checked.
 
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Did you see any weights attached? I couldn't see any on the back of mine or in the photos everyone has posted. It's hard to believe that Ford would be so cheap as to ship them unbalanced to save a few minutes labor and slap a warning sticker on them. ATMs retail for over $100. If I don/t find weights on mine I guess I'll take it to be balance checked.
Nope.. no weights on mine either. WTH?

Good point John I guess I'll follow your lead and get mine balanced too. Especially since some of the wheels on my truck have like 15 of those aluminum stick on weight!

I wonder if maybe they are saying it's "temporary" because it doesn't have the air pressure sensor in it?
 


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Maybe that’s why they only want you to go 50, any faster and the unbalanced wheel will start to shake things loose!
 

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Is it possible that the spare may not be balanced properly and the safest way to avoid liability is to just say "Not for above 50mph" ?

I'm imagining someone slapping it on, trucking at 90mph, rolling, and then suing FORD because the tire didn't say "Stay safely below 50!" :idea:
Could be but why not just properly balance the tire? It might result in a warranty claim if the tire causes a bad enough vibration if it needs to be mounted in the front. You can bet I would do just that since it would be a factory defect and a safety issue. If I don't find any weights on mine I will take it to my dealer to be checked.
 

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Maybe that’s why they only want you to go 50, any faster and the unbalanced wheel will start to shake things loose!
Wouldn't it be nice to be stuck on an interstate in the middle of the night with a flat and a spare that vibrates the hell out of the truck at 50 MPH.
 

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Nope.. no weights on mine either. WTH?

Good point John I guess I'll follow your lead and get mine balanced too. Especially since some of the wheels on my truck have like 15 of those aluminum stick on weight!

I wonder if maybe they are saying it's "temporary" because it doesn't have the air pressure sensor in it?
That is another good point. I've had TPMS sensors stop working on vehicles several times. I stop asap and look at the tires, check the pressure and continue on just like in the old days if I suspected a low tire. I have never driven hundreds of miles at 50 when I know the pressures are all ok and my regular spare tires have always also been balanced from the factory. Telling people to drive at 50 with a spare is fine to protect Ford from potential law suits since many people never check their spare but that shouldn't preclude properly balancing the spare at the factory.
 

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Wouldn't it be nice to be stuck on an interstate in the middle of the night with a flat and a spare that vibrates the hell out of the truck at 50 MPH.
Hey...ask the fellow that questioned how this would effect emissions/fuel economy of the aluminum wheel being installed. He should be able to advise you on your question. The old days of the spare being a road tire are over. It is to allow you to limp into a place to seek repair. The aluminum wheel is there for a reason...not just because they found one on the assembly plant floor. It was properly released for the configuration based on valid engineering data. Please heed the advice on the tires...Its construction may not be the same as a road tire... I have no idea of the spare tire's construction. Please do not think this is a road wheel even if it was from the same mold as a road wheel. Wish a current Wheel & Tire truck engineer would chime in here.

I just flat do not know other than to tell folks to heed the owner's manual or the tire sidewall

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Hey...ask the fellow that questioned how this would effect emissions/fuel economy of the aluminum wheel being installed. He should be able to advise you on your question. The old days of the spare being a road tire are over. It is to allow you to limp into a place to seek repair. The aluminum wheel is there for a reason...not just because they found one on the assembly plant floor. It was properly released for the configuration based on valid engineering data. Please heed the advice on the tires...Its construction may not be the same as a road tire... I have no idea of the spare tire's construction. Please do not think this is a road wheel even if it was from the same mold as a road wheel. Wish a current Wheel & Tire truck engineer would chime in here.

I just flat do not know other than to tell folks to heed the owner's manual or the tire sidewall

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I'm that guy.. you gave a nothing burger answer to a legit question, and then keep serving up more burgers each time the topic comes up.

You keep talking about emissions/fuel economy. That's corporate BS. Do you think end users care? They don't.

Can you justify the fact that the spare tire isn't balanced? That has nothing to do with emissions and it's a black eye on Ford for not balancing it.

Brand loyalty and Employer loyalty is one thing, but what Ford is doing here is a cheapskate move.
 
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Hey...ask the fellow that questioned how this would effect emissions/fuel economy of the aluminum wheel being installed. He should be able to advise you on your question. The old days of the spare being a road tire are over. It is to allow you to limp into a place to seek repair. The aluminum wheel is there for a reason...not just because they found one on the assembly plant floor. It was properly released for the configuration based on valid engineering data. Please heed the advice on the tires...Its construction may not be the same as a road tire... I have no idea of the spare tire's construction. Please do not think this is a road wheel even if it was from the same mold as a road wheel. Wish a current Wheel & Tire truck engineer would chime in here.

I just flat do not know other than to tell folks to heed the owner's manual or the tire sidewall

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It would be great to hear from a Wheel and Tire engineer. My spare is the same OD, Hankook model and ratings as the 4 Hankook ATM 265/60R18 on the truck. The only difference is it's a 17" tire mounted on a steel wheel. Probably just like the ones on your Lariat if you have 18" wheels.

Also, I don't see any wheel weights on any of the photos on this thread. I doubt the Hankooks are so perfect that they don't need any weights on a steel wheel. My Ford aluminum wheels have lots of weights stuck on them. The probable lack of balancing of the spare is what my comment was based on. Ford might as well supply a donut and not advertise having a real spare tire on the truck. That meant to me that I had a real drivable tire as a spare.
 
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Mine has no weights on it either. I have the steel wheel with 17" hankook ATM on it. My guess is it's this, and CYA that causes this tire to be labeled as a donut.


I'm with Phil though, someone currently in the industry could confirm (anonymously of course) that this is in fact caused by the lack of balancing, or by the lawyers, or both.
 

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An unbalanced tire doesn't matter for as limited service spare. The main negative effect is accelerated tire wear, which won't happen in the short time the tire is in service. I doubt the speed restriction has anything to do with tire balance.
 

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It is a nanny state thing in my estimation. People ignore their spare till it unsafe or flat. Then it becomes a temp spare. So ford says temp spare even when new. Marketing says full size spare. Cya and not quite the truth. Let the buyer beware.
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