Turn off adaptive transmission process!

[Wang.S]

Alternatively, When one drives their truck for 12,000 miles without a rough shift, slipping shift, and all the other crazy anomalies that my currently working as designed truck exhibits on an all too often basis.

I'm a big boy, and I take responsibility for my decisions. If my transmission fails, I will go to a bonafide repair expert and have the work done right.

I'd rather pay real $$ than have Ford install another "working as designed" transmission in my truck under warranty... just to have it begin failing. I only have to go once around the block to figure things out.

I don't tolerate vehicles that leave me stranded.

That leads into an interesting question that I'm sure Google might even struggle to answer;
whats the failure rate as a percentage from OEM transmissions compared to "bonafide repair experts"? We would be comparing hundreds of thousands to just hundreds.
I am convinced that they are better, out of pride mostly, but they are not infallible. They are bound to the same possibilities of failure as anyone, and that makes your "stranded" comment not a guarantee.

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[TJC]

That leads into an interesting question that I'm sure Google might even struggle to answer;
whats the failure rate as a percentage from OEM transmissions compared to "bonafide repair experts"? We would be comparing hundreds of thousands to just hundreds.
I am convinced that they are better, out of pride mostly, but they are not infallible. They are bound to the same possibilities of failure as anyone, and that makes your "stranded" comment not a guarantee.

There are no guarantees in life except death. (Not even taxes. I know people who have not paid taxes in 30 years and don't intend to. They fly under the radar.)

That question really only matters to fleet owners and manufacturers.

It doesn't matter to me at all. I only have a sample of one. And I am only concerned with that one being reliable.

I am 68 years old. I have maintained my autos my entire life. Not one has left me stranded yet. And I have had my share of lemons. I'm not saying it won't happen. I am saying I minimize the possibilities as best I can.

When you identify a problem, ignoring it, or simply doing nothing, guarantees failure.

 

[OFC Ranger]

There are no guarantees in life except death. (Not even taxes. I know people who have not paid taxes in 30 years and don't intend to. They fly under the radar.)

No, taxes are guaranteed.

Every time someone buys something, whether their net worth is $10 or $10,000,000 they pay that tax.

You are just talking about federal/state tax on income.

 

[TJC]

You are correct sir! It is estimated that 50% of the product price is embedded taxes that are collected along the way of producing product. And that is not counting sales or use taxes.

The fellow I referenced did not pay income taxes or SS / medicare taxes. He knew the risks and fully accepts that they may show up one day at his home unannounced.

 

[Wytchdctr]

I already have a very good understanding of what parts need to be replaced, improved, or modified to insure the repair or replacement is reliable long term.

As Santa famously famously said in a Christmas song, "I'm making a list, and checking it twice. I know what part has been naughty or nice!"

No smartass/sarcasm... if you make a build it right list.. make a separate post/share? That or PM... screw the haters

I'd love to get a busted 10R80 and rebuild it myself for when it goes wrong or I find the time to swap a bullet proof trans and sell a working version to someone screwed by a bad bushing or valve body.

The stock trans is the only thing I don't like about this truck and Ford (atm). Getting the trans right would mean I would keep this thing until the wheels fell off... but since I'm not in the rust belt I'd just replace the wheel bearings and keep trucking.

 

[Yinzcity]

That leads into an interesting question that I'm sure Google might even struggle to answer;
whats the failure rate as a percentage from OEM transmissions compared to "bonafide repair experts"? We would be comparing hundreds of thousands to just hundreds.
I am convinced that they are better, out of pride mostly, but they are not infallible. They are bound to the same possibilities of failure as anyone, and that makes your "stranded" comment not a guarantee.

I can't say for repair experts as that will vary shop to shop. I also don't know the exact target for Ford, but I know for another OEM for a much different platform had 1.5% as the target to hit for number of power train complaints. So roughly 15 vehicles in 1000. This was for a brand new product though, I will assume the 10r80e is lower since it's an established product.

 

[ctechbob]

I can't say for repair experts as that will vary shop to shop. I also don't know the exact target for Ford, but I know for another OEM for a much different platform had 1.5% as the target to hit for number of power train complaints. So roughly 15 vehicles in 1000. This was for a brand new product though, I will assume the 10r80e is lower since it's an established product.

I believe those numbers came out in a recent lawsuit about the 8L45/8L90 that GM is involved in. Their target was 1.5% and they ended up somewhere north of 8% if memory serves. (Ultimately it is apparently 100%)

If you want to do some 'light' legal reading.

https://cases.justia.com/federal/di.../2:2019cv11044/337665/284/0.pdf?ts=1679403299

" The plaintiffs say that GM established target defect rates for the class models ranging from 5 to 9.8 “Incidents Per Thousand Vehicles” (“IPTV”). Those rates correspond to between 0.5% and 0.98% — less than 1% of vehicles sold for all models. However, a February 2018 warranty data analysis produced by GM showed that predicted warranty service rates for various models exceeded 155 IPTV (15.5%) within 60,000 miles of service, with a predicted “repeat claims rate” of 8%. A follow-up analysis in August 2018 found that the actual service rate was 25% within 32 months after sale. Another GM analysis in 2019 found that the observed IPTV for class vehicles was 30-fold higher than the target defect rate established for Model Year 2023 and later vehicles with the new Gen 2 design. "

 

[importfighter01]

Update. I became disappointed yesterday because at first I thought the adaptation must have been reinstated when reloading the FP tune, as I started to experience some weird shifting again. However today the truck has been shifting much better with more predictability vs the normal “what was that shift all about?!” I believe what I’m observing is that the transmission is settling into its normal post reset and will not continue to gather data to make continuous adaptations causing an ever changing shift strategy. If it stays shifting with the consistency it did today I’ll be very pleased.

 

[ctechbob]

Did you turn it back off or check to see if it was off after loading the tune? If not, it is probably turned back on.

 

[importfighter01]

Did you turn it back off or check to see if it was off after loading the tune? If not, it is probably turned back on.

Unfortunately you cannot use Forscan to verify anything while a tune is installed. So at this point knowing how the truck shifts with the FP tune the past 2.5yrs and comparing to how it settles into the shift strategy post-Forscan tweak is my only point of reference.

 

[ctechbob]

Unfortunately you cannot use Forscan to verify anything while a tune is installed. So at this point knowing how the truck shifts with the FP tune the past 2.5yrs and comparing to how it settles into the shift strategy post-Forscan tweak is my only point of reference.

That's good to know. I would have thought you'd still be able to see everything as normal even with a tune.

 

[yamahaSHO]

Unfortunately you cannot use Forscan to verify anything while a tune is installed. So at this point knowing how the truck shifts with the FP tune the past 2.5yrs and comparing to how it settles into the shift strategy post-Forscan tweak is my only point of reference.

What can't you do in Forscan after a tune is loaded?

 

[importfighter01]

What can't you do in Forscan after a tune is loaded?

According to feedback here on the forum using Forscan with the FP tune installed causes issues.

https://www.ranger5g.com/forum/threads/ford-performance-tune-and-forscan.15621/

I also did a Google search for “forscan with tune” and found a lot of threads from other forums where people with different Ford vehicles encounter issues trying to run forscan with various tunes installed. Maybe they are all wrong but I didn’t want to brick my ECU so I uninstall my FP tune each time I mess around in forscan then reinstall after.

 

[yamahaSHO]

According to feedback here on the forum using Forscan with the FP tune installed causes issues.

https://www.ranger5g.com/forum/threads/ford-performance-tune-and-forscan.15621/

I also did a Google search for “forscan with tune” and found a lot of threads from other forums where people encounter issues trying to run forscan with various tunes installed. Maybe they are all wrong but I didn’t want to brick my ECU so I uninstall my FP tune each time I mess around in forscan then reinstall after.

Hmmm... Interesting. I don't think I've had an issue with a tune on mine, though I tune it myself.

 

[RangerFitz]

Mine won't let me use forscan with my OZ tune either.

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