Sponsored
Dereku
Well-Known Member
- First Name
- Derek
- Joined
- May 18, 2022
- Threads
- 31
- Messages
- 2,822
- Reaction score
- 6,908
- Location
- Chicagoland Area
- Vehicle(s)
- 2021 Ford Ranger
- Occupation
- Project Manager
4 link with coil overs and a bed cage. Could probably do it at factory ride height too...
Get custom springs made that are tapered, multi leaf, and military wrapped. Make sure there are a ton of leafs and very thin.
Get custom springs made that are tapered, multi leaf, and military wrapped. Make sure there are a ton of leafs and very thin.
NvrFinished
Well-Known Member
From what I understand, they all are going to provide approximately the same amount of extended travel, which isn't much. This was APG's explanation below.
The correct way of increasing travel numbers in the rear is to install a longer leaf spring, typically paired with a longer shackle that's been moved back. Ford decided to mount the leaf springs directly under the frame rails on this truck, and placed the shackle right up against the rear bumper mount support on the frame. This poses two engineering problems. 1, your bump stop is under the frame, taking up precious inches of travel room between the top spring and the frame rail. That's why we give you Raptor bump stops in the kit, because they're much shorter than the Ranger's, and thus giving you back some inches of up-travel you lose with a taller leaf pack. 2, a traditional longer shackle would contact the rear bumper mount support on the frame at full bump.
The correct way of increasing travel numbers in the rear is to install a longer leaf spring, typically paired with a longer shackle that's been moved back. Ford decided to mount the leaf springs directly under the frame rails on this truck, and placed the shackle right up against the rear bumper mount support on the frame. This poses two engineering problems. 1, your bump stop is under the frame, taking up precious inches of travel room between the top spring and the frame rail. That's why we give you Raptor bump stops in the kit, because they're much shorter than the Ranger's, and thus giving you back some inches of up-travel you lose with a taller leaf pack. 2, a traditional longer shackle would contact the rear bumper mount support on the frame at full bump.
Frenchy
Well-Known Member
- First Name
- Chris
- Joined
- Mar 15, 2020
- Threads
- 164
- Messages
- 7,548
- Reaction score
- 10,757
- Location
- Elizabeth, Colorado
- Vehicle(s)
- 2012 Nissan Frontier, 1994 F150 XL, 2022 Ford Transit
- Occupation
- Field Service Technician
To my understanding with what is avalible in the market Old Man EMU will have the best available Travel out of thier leaf spring for the Ranger. Total lift from the basic leaf is 1.6 inches. It is a 4 pack leaf vs the factory 2 pack leaf. That said you can probably say .25 of that is just from the leafs. Did not need to change the bump stops and the axle did articulate quite a bit with it!!
These pictures were after I added the front sway bar disconnects but should still give you an idea. If the sway bar was connected I would have a tire off the ground.
These pictures were after I added the front sway bar disconnects but should still give you an idea. If the sway bar was connected I would have a tire off the ground.
Frenchy
Well-Known Member
- First Name
- Chris
- Joined
- Mar 15, 2020
- Threads
- 164
- Messages
- 7,548
- Reaction score
- 10,757
- Location
- Elizabeth, Colorado
- Vehicle(s)
- 2012 Nissan Frontier, 1994 F150 XL, 2022 Ford Transit
- Occupation
- Field Service Technician
Not entirely true. The leafs from APG dont imcrease travel thanks to the amount of leafs in each pack. They have to use the Raptor Bump stop just so you dont loose the travel. Also if you notice those leafs dont provide any extra lift(with the exception of the HD version but it still adds more leafs). The Icon get close but again don't provide lift if you use the single leaf function. Doing that actually lowers the load capacity as well. The Old Man EMU Leafs on the otherhand will provide lift and travel without decreasing load. Depending on the leaf you might even increase load capacity(more of what you can carry while maintaining lift). To say the least I was very impressed with them. If I had another Ranger I'm sure it would get the Old Man EMU Suspension.
Frenchy
Well-Known Member
- First Name
- Chris
- Joined
- Mar 15, 2020
- Threads
- 164
- Messages
- 7,548
- Reaction score
- 10,757
- Location
- Elizabeth, Colorado
- Vehicle(s)
- 2012 Nissan Frontier, 1994 F150 XL, 2022 Ford Transit
- Occupation
- Field Service Technician
Incorrect sir. Due to the amount of leafs in the leaf pack you don't gain any travel. You actually loose travel. Also with the Leafs installed the rear of the truck does not gain any lift. If you gain no lift and add a bunch of leafs to a leaf pack then you loose travel. That is why you get the Raptor Bump stops so you don't loose travel. That said I'm sure they will improve ride quality.
Stic-o
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Sep 27, 2018
- Threads
- 43
- Messages
- 764
- Reaction score
- 1,162
- Location
- Lake View Terrace, CA
- Vehicle(s)
- '99 Explorer ,'92 Bronco, '91 Navajo, '19 Ranger
- Vehicle Showcase
- 1
When you have more leaves from someone like Deaver, they are thinner leaves, and thus more flexible. Now if you are making your own leaf packs out of multiple packs, you are 100% correct.
The Raptor bumps are shorter, which can cause other issues. If you are running a reservoir on the rear, under full compression the passenger side reservoir can contact the axle. This can even happen with a factory bump stop.
Frenchy
Well-Known Member
- First Name
- Chris
- Joined
- Mar 15, 2020
- Threads
- 164
- Messages
- 7,548
- Reaction score
- 10,757
- Location
- Elizabeth, Colorado
- Vehicle(s)
- 2012 Nissan Frontier, 1994 F150 XL, 2022 Ford Transit
- Occupation
- Field Service Technician
For light duty vehicles at least(wich the Ranger is classified under) a leak in a leak pack is arounf 1/8 of an inch thick. Not much by its self when you think about it. Now to do some math(dont hurt yourself here LOL). The factory leaf pack has 2 leafs. So about 1/4 inch thick. The basic Old Man EMU is 4 leafs so about 1/2 inch. Deaver leaf packs contain 10 if not mistaken(it still amazes me on how they ride well) and that would be 1 1/4 inch. Big difference there. How much lift does Deaver offer on the basic? None. Old Man EMU? 1.6 inches. What does Deaver(or APG at this point) offer? A shorter bump stop to make up for the Lost travel. How much shorter is the Raptor Bump Stop? No idea but it would be nice for someone to share.
Chattownranger
Well-Known Member
- First Name
- James
- Joined
- Jul 1, 2020
- Threads
- 5
- Messages
- 88
- Reaction score
- 143
- Location
- Chattanooga
- Vehicle(s)
- 2020 Ranger
- Occupation
- Mechanic
I agree that links and coil springs would be the best answer. However the OME, Deaver or Icons (what I have) are all better options than the factory obviously. Here is my truck with the rear tucked and dropped out. I have mine set up with middle weight load cause I have a decked system full of junk in the back.
Stic-o
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Sep 27, 2018
- Threads
- 43
- Messages
- 764
- Reaction score
- 1,162
- Location
- Lake View Terrace, CA
- Vehicle(s)
- '99 Explorer ,'92 Bronco, '91 Navajo, '19 Ranger
- Vehicle Showcase
- 1
I think this is a interesting conversation. The only real way to get a full answer is through hard data. I'll see if we can do some more details on this at work and maybe can do a side by side comparison. Factory, vs OME vs. Deaver vs Icon RXT's. Plus anyone else I missed.
Frenchy
Well-Known Member
- First Name
- Chris
- Joined
- Mar 15, 2020
- Threads
- 164
- Messages
- 7,548
- Reaction score
- 10,757
- Location
- Elizabeth, Colorado
- Vehicle(s)
- 2012 Nissan Frontier, 1994 F150 XL, 2022 Ford Transit
- Occupation
- Field Service Technician
Assuming you got them from APG I have questions that have not been answered.
#1 compared to the factory bump stop how much shorter is the Raptor Bump Stop?
#2 how much of a lift did you get and why? Was this the basic leaf or the HD leaf pack?
#3 for kicks can you please get a total height of the leaf pack? I'm really looking for thickness here.
#4 when you take it OffRoad can you please do a flex test to see how much the height is from top of the rear fender to the ground on both sides when flexed in either direction? Very curious as no one has taken measurements doing such and I would like comparisons here.
Whiplash
Well-Known Member
- First Name
- Kern
- Joined
- Oct 17, 2021
- Threads
- 2
- Messages
- 270
- Reaction score
- 848
- Location
- The southwest Missouri Ozarks
- Vehicle(s)
- 2021 Ranger XLT FX4 / 2004 Mazda RX8
- Occupation
- Retired
In my case the travel of the leafs are limited by shock stroke length and height of the bump stop ....when installing,to get the bottom bolt in, I had to jack.the axle.up about 1/2" to get the bolt thru with the shock at full extension..... ICON.2.5 Piggybacks. ICON Progressive Leaf pack, ICON Universal foam bump stops...
..
Sponsored
