BREAKING: California to begin sweeping BAN on new gasoline car sales TOMORROW in bid to reach 100 percent zero emissions by 2035

[deleriumtremor]

Grand plan, lofty goal. But with no oversight, that's all it is, a lofty goal. The ZEV mix today is around 12% of new passenger vehicles sold in California, or about one of every eight new vehicles. January 1, 2026 is only 28 months away and they expect to be at 35%, or over one out of three? 18-20% at best, IMO. What then? A quota system for ICE vehicle sales?

And what about other sources of CO2 and hydrocarbons? Gas heating, charcoal and wood fired grills, SxS', and ATVs, lawn mowers, boats & ships, aircraft of all types, locomotives, construction equipment, farm machinery... what else am I forgetting? Looking at the big picture, personal ICE vehicles are a rather small part, but represents the low hanging fruit.

Actually, I think CARB is in most of the above already, so turning the screw doesn't take much additional energy on their part.

On the other hand, I think even the California Air Resources Board are too smart to try and take away the backyard BBQ.

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[Trigganometry]

Here's what they do. Build water salination plants a few miles inland. Then set water turbines up at the salination plants to generate electricity.
California needs both fresh water and electricity. Two birds , one stone.

Years ago I worked in a shop that made the fresh water apparatus that is used in all of our submarines. So take sea water and turn it into fresh water that handles the entire needs of the sub to operate. Pretty impressive device for its size. But they cost a ton of money! Oh, had to have a security clearance to go into or work in that area of the plant. Now that was 30 years ago so I’m sure by now they have perfected that even more. Question is, why are these things not all over the place!

 

[deleriumtremor]

Years ago I worked in a shop that made the fresh water apparatus that is used in all of our submarines. So take sea water and turn it into fresh water that handles the entire needs of the sub to operate. Pretty impressive device for its size. But they cost a ton of money! Oh, had to have a security clearance to go into or work in that area of the plant. Now that was 30 years ago so I’m sure by now they have perfected that even more. Question is, why are these things not all over the place!

Just like their power plants, small and efficient nuclear power.

 

[LostMy65]

Where I lived in California in the 70's, we had Gun Shop in highschool. They had a bluing tank. And we could take our guns to school on the bus.

 

[Jon Olivier]

Where I lived in California in the 70's, we had Gun Shop in highschool. They had a bluing tank. And we could take our guns to school on the bus.

That's awesome!

Until recently, our local high school had a trap shooting team. Unfortunately, it's in limbo right now as new laws have been signed by Newsom that prevent any promotion/advertisement of gun use to minors.

 

[deleriumtremor]

Where I lived in California in the 70's, we had Gun Shop in highschool. They had a bluing tank. And we could take our guns to school on the bus.

Lot's of local gun shops in all cities in the Bay Area during those times. Nobody thought much of it. I remember this one shop I used to frequent in my teens that was owned by two brothers. One was an alcoholic and would always go next door to the bar and get a drink (his drink was Drambuie on the rocks). He always had one sitting on the back shelf in process and he was rarely sober.

Hard to imagine that happening today, pretty much anywhere. Different times indeed.

 

[LostMy65]

Yep, Guns in our trucks on gun racks in the highschool parking lot.
Take your gun on the bus, put it in your locker, and then take it with you to gun shop class. I don't even remember one person giving you a double take carrying a gun on your way to gun shop class.
It never even crossed our minds.

 

[9zero1790]

You didn't anger me, what angers me is my inability to convey what the problem is and isn't.

The most desirable places on earth (coastal Cailfornia) wasn't lost to the far left because the people who lived there before weren't paying close enough attention to how they voted. Returning CA to a more "balanced politically" place has absolutely nothing with people who have lived there all their lives becoming smarter about how they vote to return some normalcy to such a great state.

The problem isn't who lived where and moved where and brought their "failed voting" principles with them. The problem is, the more educated you are here in America, the statistically more left your politics. That doesn't mean every single person who possesses an advanced college degree is automatically a Marxist, it just means a lot more of them will see the merit in Marxist principles, than those that will see through that myth. The most desirable places to live in America, have the highest concentration of educational credentials and also have the farthest left voting stats.

Even if you landed gentry in Texas are a lot smarter than we native Californians in how you vote locally, such that you keep a close handle on who is on your local school boards, your school principles, your local school superintendents, it doesn't matter. Because when you send that pretty darn well public school educated Christian child who knows about personal responsibility and right from wrong, off to Austin, who is coming back isn't going to be that person. Have you spent much time in Austin?

In other states like CA, how far left the indoctrination gets, starts a whole lot sooner. With every graduating class, at every level, a new vanguard of government knows best thinking. It has nothing to do with local landed gentry fighting the good fight.

Look, in America today, we on the right celebrate some big victory when we force elementary schools in some part of one state to not teach gender identity to young elementary students. No matter how noble that victory (and how roundly supported by a majority of Americans), do you think the end result when those kids graduate from the "you fill in the blank" public or private university, the kid is going to be voting Republican and still gets personal responsibility is always better than a government solving everyone's problems?

It isn't about who is moving into your neighborhood and their soft headed thinking about who to vote for. It is in the schools, that is where your problem is and it isn't getting fixed.

id agree with that also. i have seen first hand the indoctrination of Marxism, communism and other things in education in many places including Texas. Esp. in higher education.

 

[9zero1790]

What I find so interesting about this topic is that CO2 makes up .02% - .03% of our atmosphere and it is indeed a greenhouse gas. BUT... water vapor makes up to 4% of our atmosphere and is 20 times the heat sink of CO2. Water vapor is the second largest factor at holding atmospheric heat affecting this planet, only surpassed by the sun!

So if you want to cool the planet down, simply reduce the water vapor in the atmosphere. (The North and South Poles are two of the driest places on the planet)

But we need water vapor in the atmosphere to survive!

Yes, I agree.

But we also need CO2 in the atmosphere to survive. Without CO2 there will be no O2 in the atmosphere. Oceanic / Land flora need to flourish to expel O2. That means water vapor, sunlight, nutrients, and CO2.

Facts are interesting things. You can deny them, but you can't deny the ramifications of denying them. And around and around we go, and where we stop nobody knows!

T

dont confuse the politicians with facts my friend lol !

 

[9zero1790]

if more places push ev laws the demand for materials to build them goes up. things like copper, lithium and so on will increase in price and that concerns me. It could bring higher prices on many items. plus increase mining which is not good for the environment.

 

[LostMy65]

Did all you notice how quick the air cleaned up when everything got shut down for COVID? A good clean air act should be to find ways to let more people work from home.

 

[deleriumtremor]

Did all you notice how quick the air cleaned up when everything got shut down for COVID? A good clean air act should be to find ways to let more people work from home.

I think one of the really big problems for the Fed these days is the shocking drop in productivity our economy has suffered in the last few years.

Historically, one of the things that always seemed to be counted on in our economy to help keep inflation at bay was constant reliable productivity gains.

I was watching a guy on one of the business channels the other day (an economist for one of the banks, I think), who said the productivity problem we are facing right now (which has added a lot to the inflation numbers) is almost completely due to the "work from home model" adopted during covid. Seems we just are not getting the same productivity when people work from home, even while companies are spending more on tech to optimize the work environments.

He predicted work from home would pass away quietly over the coming decade as companies started to get a handle on how much more it costs them to operate their business with a remote work force.

I will try and find the clip, it was either CNBC or Fox Business, very interesting stuff.

 

[SigOris]

Eventually the malaise will overtake Idaho with all the migration from the golden state , this has already occurred in Colorado, who is adopting the Cali carb standards and shuttering clean burning coal plants, in about 3 yrs CO will also ban ice auto sales, my perilous prediction.

Same thing happening in Maine with the socialists from MASSHOLE Land aka Massachusetts moving here because of lower home prices and taxes only to vote on items to make it like the state they left ?

 

[dtech]

So do the clowns in hollyweird have to give up their luxury yachts and private jets, too? Asking for a friend.

No but they will buy that EV Hummer and claim they are being "green", reminds of about 10 yrs back, went camping with a friend and his older sister , she had a dream job where she jet setted with rich clients, mostly mds to all of the desirable places - everest base camp, african safaris, patagonia, etc. My buddy drove a chevy suburban, she a subaru, we had a discussion on global warming and being green and she brought up how she disapproved of her brother driving a gas eating , air polluting Suburban, ignoring of course the pollution of jets . To top it off her husband opened a plastic wrapped smack and was about to throw it in our campfire, like lightning her hand shot out, grabbed his arm and "said don't, that's bad for the environment" , I just stood back shaking my head in disbelief.

 

[wanted33]

Well that's sad for the Austrailians, Holden makes some bad-ass cars.

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