California to ban small gas engines by 2024

[Trigganometry]

It may seem like a "push" and "too fast" to some, but the fact is we're way behind the curve at this point. We should have been actively pursuing a more environmentally kind lifestyle 50 years ago. We have wasted quite a bit of time fighting inevitability...so a few quick steps in the right direction are a small price to pay. While you and I might not see or feel a benefit I assure you, our grandchildren will...and they need a world to live in too.
I am anxiously awaiting an EV Ranger 4X4.

Sometimes the “solutions” cause more damage than what we’re currently doing. Do a search on EV battery production for instance.
It takes 500,000 gallons of water to mine one metric ton of lithium for car batteries. That is a LOT of water. That gives you almost exactly 2 electric cars.



That says nothing about what’s involved to recycle once lifecycle is done…. Something to think about. That’s only one example, there’s so many more. Rare earth metals is another. Mind boggling destruction to the environment

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[NOVA_Ranger]

The land of fruits and nuts. Just keep the BS there… haha

 

[Big Blue]

Just in...
Picture of a California CARB compliant lawn mower.....

Wait! What about the methane gas it gives off?

 

[2020FX4]

I saw this today at ACE hardware........

 

[mtsoxfan]

Ive seen statements about how many gallons it takes to produce XXX. But is that water lost? Just saw a news clips on Vegas, and how they recycle water to 0% lost. Recycle all water. Maybe it was only one casino/hotel, but IIRC, it was all of Vegas.
But Holy Sh**, the water police are serious about water waste. If you water your lawn and it dribbles onto sidewalk, you are fined for wasting...

 

[Langwilliams]

We have wasted quite a bit of time fighting inevitability...so a few quick steps in the right direction are a small price to pay.

What's going to charge all those batteries? We've made steps for a long time. When I first started driving cars were getting single digit MPG an smog was pouring out the tailpipe.

. But is that water lost? Just saw a news clips on Vegas, and how they recycle water to 0% lost. Recycle all water. Maybe it was only one casino/hotel, but IIRC, it was all of Vegas.

No one ever looks at the carbon footprint of all that mining, transporting the raw materials an the industrial process of making the batteries. Look at the size of those grinding machines an dump trucks used in the mining process.

Here's a quote from "energy solution providers":

Unfortunately, manufacturing your solar panels requires melting silica rock at extremely high temperatures to produce silicon using coal-fired electricity plants, which does have an environmental impact.

However, there is an upside—as solar panel manufacturing has progressed, studies have shown that the environmental impact has shrunk: “For every doubling of installed photovoltaic capacity, energy use decreases by 12% and greenhouse gas footprints by 17 to 24%.” The more efficient solar panels become, the less impact their manufacturing has on overall greenhouse gas contributions.


IMO if you're really serious about non polluting energy you have to re-vist nuclear power. The plants running today were built 50 years ago so I'm sure the technology is better now. Just don't build one in an earthquake or tsunami zone.

 

[KNI]

It takes 500,000 gallons of water to mine one metric ton of lithium for car batteries. That is a LOT of water. That gives you almost exactly 2 electric cars.

And to put that into context, it is 1 892 705m^2 or about 1mm (or light sneeze) rain for less than 2 square kilometers.

 

[dtech]

FYI :

Fracking consumes a massive amount of water. In the United States, the average can run between 1.5 million and 9.7 million gallons of water to frack a single well, according to the United States Geological Survey (USGS).Apr 19, 2019

 

[dtech]

IMO if you're really serious about non polluting energy you have to re-vist nuclear power. The plants running today were built 50 years ago so I'm sure the technology is better now. Just don't build one in an earthquake or tsunami zone.

There is ongoing development for smaller nuclear reactors which have a number of advantages over larger deployments. The collapse of Westinghouse some yrs back along with environmental concerns ( Fukushima Daiichi, etc) has raised the bar for the nuclear industry in the US as well as other countries (Germany) .

https://www.governing.com/next/nuclear-power-industry-targets-alaska-for-small-reactors

 

[NvrFinished]

Back in 2010 California was beginning to mandate the new diesel emission regulations that would require most trucking companies to buy a new tractor or replace the engines in their fleet. It caused many trucking companies and independent drivers to go out of business because they could not afford the expense. Plus, it drove up trucking costs in the state.

It was discovered that the data acquired and analyzed for the study by the California Air Resources Board that resulted in these new emission standards was provided by an employee who falsified his credentials. His boss knew of the employee's false credentials but allowed the data to be used anyways.

When this was discovered, they went ahead with the new emission requirements anyways and ordered a new study to be analyzed at a later date. The employee, nor his boss, were ever reprimanded and kept their jobs.

That's California for you.

 

[NOVA_Ranger]

I saw this today at ACE hardware........

I almost went with one of these when I bought a new zero turn this spring. The reviews seemed decent, but I opted for a gas-powered Toro. Maybe when the Toro is used up, still too early in the game for me to jump on the EV or electric mower train.

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