BREAKING: California to begin sweeping BAN on new gasoline car sales TOMORROW in bid to reach 100 percent zero emissions by 2035

[deleriumtremor]

This will sound rude and I do not mean to offend others. However, it is difficult for me to feel bad for California. For decades California has been off the rails in terms of politics and finances. Folks that live, work, and vote in California are getting the fruits of what has been planted. I know many people do not like and did not want or support the things happening in California. That is fine, I understand. But, do not leave California and go to other states and bring the same flawed ways and issues with you. Things that are happening in California and now other states as well do not even seem to be things that could be true in the United States. I cannot speak for others but I can say Texas has had more than enough of influx and is starting to suffer with the same problems the west coast has. I expect Texas to be in bad shape ten years from now. Do not know where I would flee too lol. As far as forced EV goes I will not risk a comment, I like the folks here too much.

I probably might take offense to your post, if you knew anything about what you are pontificating on, but you clearly don’t, so will instead try and educate you on the subject.

The majority of California by land mass is conservative. It is the denser more coastal urban areas that make up the majority of the population that votes liberal/progressive. These areas control all of state political speaking.

There are counties inland in CA (at least it was when I lived there) where there is no emissions tests for automobiles, where a concealed carry permit is no big deal for the local sheriff to process, where a quick scan through the radio dial (both AM and FM) have as many Christian stations as anything else.

Like Walter, I was born and raised in CA. The cities like SF and its surroundings were always a little liberal (at least Democrat voting wise), as they were solid union towns. The people that lived in those places when I was a kid and through my early teens were what they later called Reagan Democrats, they were conservative socially and liberal as it pertained to collective bargaining, etc. Most generally staunch patriots, most having served their country honorably in wars and conditions modern American war fighters couldn't even imagine.

When I lived in San Francisco as an adult, all of our friends and acquaintances save one guy were Democrat voters, many what they now call Progressives (socialists). The reason so many were of this political bent was because most grew up in places other than CA, almost all with advanced college degrees, all having moved to CA because it is a great place to live geographically and the jobs for such people were plentiful.

When we left (my wife and I), of the people who were born in CA with which we socialized, there was exactly one, me.

What is happening in CA isn't the fault of Californian's who are conservative or even centrist Democrats. The dominant strain of politics that control things in CA came largely from out of state, took control by sheer mass in the coastal urban areas and have driven many who called CA their birth state out because their vote doesn't count living where they live.

So climb back down off that very high horse before you fall and break something. You see, there are a lot of us who have moved from CA and we really have kind of a short fuse when it comes to somebody trying to tell us how to be politically. You see, we already had that the last place we lived.

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[lawrench]

I am so happy I do not live in California. This is the same state that voted down building a desalination plant for the water issues in the late 70's. It appears that there is something about California that makes people do unwise things.

 

[OneMore]

I probably might take offense to your post, if you knew anything about what you are pontificating on, but you clearly don’t, so will instead try and educate you on the subject.

The majority of California by land mass is conservative. It is the denser more coastal urban areas that make up the majority of the population that votes liberal/progressive. These areas control all of state political speaking.

There are counties inland in CA (at least it was when I lived there) where there is no emissions tests for automobiles, where a concealed carry permit is no big deal for the local sheriff to process, where a quick scan through the radio dial (both AM and FM) have as many Christian stations as anything else.

Like Walter, I was born and raised in CA. The cities like SF and its surroundings were always a little liberal (at least Democrat voting wise), as they were solid union towns. The people that lived in those places when I was a kid and through my early teens were what they later called Reagan Democrats, they were conservative socially and liberal as it pertained to collective bargaining, etc. Most generally staunch patriots, most having served their country honorably in wars and conditions modern American war fighters couldn't even imagine.

When I lived in San Francisco as an adult, all of our friends and acquaintances save one guy were Democrat voters, many what they now call Progressives (socialists). The reason so many were of this political bent was because most grew up in places other than CA, almost all with advanced college degrees, all having moved to CA because it is a great place to live geographically and the jobs for such people were plentiful.

When we left (my wife and I), of the people who were born in CA with which we socialized, there was exactly one, me.

What is happening in CA isn't the fault of Californian's who are conservative or even centrist Democrats. The dominant strain of politics that control things in CA came largely from out of state, took control by sheer mass in the coastal urban areas and have driven many who called CA their birth state out because their vote doesn't count living where they live.

So climb back down off that very high horse before you fall and break something. You see, there are a lot of us who have moved from CA and we really have kind of a short fuse when it comes to somebody trying to tell us how to be politically. You see, we already had that the last place we lived.

Bill,

Thank you for putting into words of how I feel and think.
One has a difficult time finding an adult, California born native, in this state.
They relocated here for the great opportunities in income that their collage eductions provide.
Like yourself, in your former life, I am in the Bay Area, say 94022.

 

[deleriumtremor]

Bill,

Thank you for putting into words of how I feel and think.
One has a difficult time finding an adult, California born native, in this state.
They relocated here for the great opportunities in income that their collage eductions provide.
Like yourself, in your former life, I am in the Bay Area, say 94022.

94121, was where we raised our daughter, during halcyon times. Paradise lost.

 

[9zero1790]

I probably might take offense to your post, if you knew anything about what you are pontificating on, but you clearly don’t, so will instead try and educate you on the subject.

The majority of California by land mass is conservative. It is the denser more coastal urban areas that make up the majority of the population that votes liberal/progressive. These areas control all of state political speaking.

There are counties inland in CA (at least it was when I lived there) where there is no emissions tests for automobiles, where a concealed carry permit is no big deal for the local sheriff to process, where a quick scan through the radio dial (both AM and FM) have as many Christian stations as anything else.

Like Walter, I was born and raised in CA. The cities like SF and its surroundings were always a little liberal (at least Democrat voting wise), as they were solid union towns. The people that lived in those places when I was a kid and through my early teens were what they later called Reagan Democrats, they were conservative socially and liberal as it pertained to collective bargaining, etc. Most generally staunch patriots, most having served their country honorably in wars and conditions modern American war fighters couldn't even imagine.

When I lived in San Francisco as an adult, all of our friends and acquaintances save one guy were Democrat voters, many what they now call Progressives (socialists). The reason so many were of this political bent was because most grew up in places other than CA, almost all with advanced college degrees, all having moved to CA because it is a great place to live geographically and the jobs for such people were plentiful.

When we left (my wife and I), of the people who were born in CA with which we socialized, there was exactly one, me.

What is happening in CA isn't the fault of Californian's who are conservative or even centrist Democrats. The dominant strain of politics that control things in CA came largely from out of state, took control by sheer mass in the coastal urban areas and have driven many who called CA their birth state out because their vote doesn't count living where they live.

So climb back down off that very high horse before you fall and break something. You see, there are a lot of us who have moved from CA and we really have kind of a short fuse when it comes to somebody trying to tell us how to be politically. You see, we already had that the last place we lived.

im glad your not feelings are not hurt. your reply has not upset me or my horse. my horse is at an honest amount of hands high. i agree with you, a lot of the problems in ca are from folks that trickled in and took advantage of great opportunities and a beautiful state. they are living in the state now. they vote and work etc. in that state. they are responsible for things where they are even if the majority of land owners or whoever else agree or not politically, fiscally or any other way. which is exactly why i said when folks leave ca I hope they leave the flaws behind and do not bring it to other states. what you saw happen in ca is now repeating many places, including my own state. so can you blame for not wanting what you described to happen in my home. i wish you well and peace. im sorry if ive angered you. but ill stand by what i said before.

Hi Mark,

I am a Kalifornia native. Been here 70+ years.
This used to be a wonderful state. Although not the past 30 years.
It will not be getting better anytime soon.
For me to leave, as I truly want, it means my wife will stay and I purchase another home to live elsewhere.
She is also a native and won't leave. Not an easy thing to do.

But I will not be bringing any ridiculous CA ideas to damage my new home state of choice.
Not all of us here agree with what gets turned into law, restrictions, taxes and infringements on our 2nd amendment rights.

a logical and solid response. Thank you! I would hate to leave home, and hope you and your wife never have to do that. I hope that people like you and many others can get ca to move in a positive direction where folks do not have to think about leaving a place they love. They should not have to. Americans have the right to plant roots and deserve fairness in that place. An economics prof. was discussing how people are motivated by somethings more than others recently. As one could imagine things like family, money, and safety were all on the higher end of his motivations list. With that in mind, maybe now while the cost of living has gone up for everyone more people will be motivated to seek leaders which they may not have considered in the past. Maybe some of the issues will get voters attention to bring in new blood in a positive direction. America has made impressive leaps after hard times in the past. I hope ca, tx, and all the states have a future that goes in a positive direction.

 

[deleriumtremor]

Pretty sure way over the line political post, sorry dudes.

 

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[TJC]

Australia is a democracy so apparently a majority of the populace feels strongly about greenhouse gases - their thinking was undoubtedly influenced after the raging wildfires a few yrs back, their country their right to decide. Interesting though as they export huge amount of coal - mostly to China whose cities have abysmal air quality.

What I find so interesting about this topic is that CO2 makes up .02% - .03% of our atmosphere and it is indeed a greenhouse gas. BUT... water vapor makes up to 4% of our atmosphere and is 20 times the heat sink of CO2. Water vapor is the second largest factor at holding atmospheric heat affecting this planet, only surpassed by the sun!

So if you want to cool the planet down, simply reduce the water vapor in the atmosphere. (The North and South Poles are two of the driest places on the planet)

But we need water vapor in the atmosphere to survive!

Yes, I agree.

But we also need CO2 in the atmosphere to survive. Without CO2 there will be no O2 in the atmosphere. Oceanic / Land flora need to flourish to expel O2. That means water vapor, sunlight, nutrients, and CO2.

Facts are interesting things. You can deny them, but you can't deny the ramifications of denying them. And around and around we go, and where we stop nobody knows!

T

 

[KNI]

What I find so interesting about this topic is that CO2 makes up .02% - .03% of our atmosphere and it is indeed a greenhouse gas. BUT... water vapor makes up to 4% of our atmosphere and is 20 times the heat sink of CO2. Water vapor is the second largest factor at holding atmospheric heat affecting this planet, only surpassed by the sun!

So if you want to cool the planet down, simply reduce the water vapor in the atmosphere. (The North and South Poles are two of the driest places on the planet)

But we need water vapor in the atmosphere to survive!

Yes, I agree.

But we also need CO2 in the atmosphere to survive. Without CO2 there will be no O2 in the atmosphere. Oceanic / Land flora need to flourish to expel O2. That means water vapor, sunlight, nutrients, and CO2.

Facts are interesting things. You can deny them, but you can't deny the ramifications of denying them. And around and around we go, and where we stop nobody knows!

T

Please don't bring facts to a good cash cow story.

On more serious note, the plant life is kind of CO2 starved at the moment and will keep increasing the growth rate until about 1200-1500PPM (current 450PPM) CO2 levels. And this is one reason why greenhouse farmers are burning natural gas and blowing out the CO2 into the greenhouse in order to maximize the production rates on veggies & berries.

Human will start to develope first CO2 poisoning symptoms after 4000PPM and at 8000PPM our cognitive abilities will start to diminish. So until then, we'll just see increased growth rates.

 

[Markubis]

Well that's one way to cut down polution in California, get everyone to leave. How are they going to power all these EVs, they can't supply their electrical needs now.

Here's what they do. Build water salination plants a few miles inland. Then set water turbines up at the salination plants to generate electricity.
California needs both fresh water and electricity. Two birds , one stone.

 

[OFC Ranger]

This will sound rude and I do not mean to offend others. However, it is difficult for me to feel bad for California. For decades California has been off the rails in terms of politics and finances. Folks that live, work, and vote in California are getting the fruits of what has been planted. I know many people do not like and did not want or support the things happening in California. That is fine, I understand. But, do not leave California and go to other states and bring the same flawed ways and issues with you. Things that are happening in California and now other states as well do not even seem to be things that could be true in the United States. I cannot speak for others but I can say Texas has had more than enough of influx and is starting to suffer with the same problems the west coast has. I expect Texas to be in bad shape ten years from now. Do not know where I would flee too lol. As far as forced EV goes I will not risk a comment, I like the folks here too much.

It would be a whole lot easier to say "F that state" if that state did not end up usually being the spearhead of regulations adopted nation wide.

From my understanding a lot of EPA / CARB nanny bullshit has its core originations in that dumb-ass state.

California is the pontification of give an inch take a mile.

 

[deleriumtremor]

I am so happy I do not live in California. This is the same state that voted down building a desalination plant for the water issues in the late 70's. It appears that there is something about California that makes people do unwise things.

My old business partner who still lives in CA, invested in some very bright scientists there who have come up with a technique to do water purification (including desalination) by using a technique employing cavitation.

The efficiency of the process is geometrically less energy intensive than reverse osmosis processes.

I think that are thinking on large scales should just about eliminate fresh water worries.

 

[dtech]

Not only CA is planning to ban the sales of gas powered, link below what other states/countries are adopting/considering. I'm old enough to remember the "ban the bomb" slogan and movement, time to embrace the ban it culture .

https://www.coltura.org/world-gasoline-phaseouts#:~:text=Colorado: In September 2020, Colorado,fuel powered cars starting 2030.

 

[deleriumtremor]

So do the clowns in hollyweird have to give up their luxury yachts and private jets, too? Asking for a friend.

I saw a piece in CNBC yesterday about a startup that was aiming to make jet fuel out of CO2 captured in scavenge operations at power plants, etc. It was a group of young bright scientists, pretty fresh from their doctoral work.

They had received like $200M so far in funding from venture capital and various green investment funds, etc.

When the head of the company started explaining the process (quite clever actually that it can even yield unable fuel), it became clear that the process would take far more energy to create each gallon of jet fuel, then would yield in actual propulsion energy.

Seems we are probably going to need those nuclear power plants a little while longer...

 

[Motorpsychology]

Grand plan, lofty goal. But with no oversight, that's all it is, a lofty goal. The ZEV mix today is around 12% of new passenger vehicles sold in California, or about one of every eight new vehicles. January 1, 2026 is only 28 months away and they expect to be at 35%, or over one out of three? 18-20% at best, IMO. What then? A quota system for ICE vehicle sales?

And what about other sources of CO2 and hydrocarbons? Gas heating, charcoal and wood fired grills, SxS', and ATVs, lawn mowers, boats & ships, aircraft of all types, locomotives, construction equipment, farm machinery... what else am I forgetting? Looking at the big picture, personal ICE vehicles are a rather small part, but represents the low hanging fruit.

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