“Decontenting” Why 2019 to 2021 vehicles could be worth more than 2022s

[deleriumtremor]

I would beg to differ, even though I am but a lowly security guard and not much of a car guy.
My '21 XLT is far from garbage. In fact, it feels and performs (so far) as good or better than my pre-covid '19 XLT with the exception of fuel mileage, which is a twitch lower because the '21 is 4WD.

I agree, while my ‘22 XLT FX4 is still pretty new and not the loaded Lariat Tremor I was hoping for, it is pretty well appointed, drives fabulously on and off and trouble free.

i do understand the OP’s mechanic friend’s point of view though. I think COVID hit (and is still hitting to some degree) almost all suppliers to the motor companies. Many of these companies are private, relatively small (relative to Ford, GM, etc.) and really struggled with staffing, production, QA, etc. Many of the components these subcontractors use for their parts are supplied from even smaller companies. It has been a tough time in the hardware business.

Edit, oops, just realized it was johnnyo’s mechanic friend who warned him off the 21-22 MY. Sorry, the Tramadol seems to be working pretty well.

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[dtech]

My cousin owns a repair shop and used car lot. He says not to buy a 2021 or 2022 anything, they're all garbage because of supply chain issues.

I lived in Pittsburgh for nearly 4 yrs, recall when I moved there had to deal with PA inspection so took the car to a shop that was owned by the husband of the lady where our kids were in day care, thinking it would not be a rip off. How completely wrong I was, it was flunked for numerous items - some not on the up and up like brake linings which were above the min.. Incensed I railed about it at the office where I worked and people meekly responded with " your lucky as the inspections used to be required 2x a year. " I had a dime sized hole in the muffler that I patched with muffler cement and that in PA is also illegal. Don't know how people put up with that type of over governance - study after study has affirmed no correlation to increased accidents in states where annual vehicle inspections have been dropped. Before leaving I did force the USPS to make mail deliveries to my home - I lived in a north suburb , the local postal workers hated me but I was completely in the right as often you couldn't find a spot to park at the local post office - because it was also the place where the lazy *ss postal workers spent more time socializing with locals than working.

 

[MountainGoat]

Until you realize all other manufacturers are doing the same thing. Some content just isn’t available at the time of production.

There is always a choice. Even if it is an F100 or Ranger from the 70s or 80s. If it's in a dry state with no rust they can be brought back to life and you won't have to worry about chip shortages, $3000 AC blend door repairs or mice chewing your wires because they have soy-based wraps on them.

 

[Joeiconic]

There is always a choice. Even if it is an F100 or Ranger from the 70s or 80s. If it's in a dry state with no rust they can be brought back to life and you won't have to worry about chip shortages, $3000 AC blend door repairs or mice chewing your wires because they have soy-based wraps on them.

 

[MountainGoat]

I guess not? Seems like all my posts go off topic a bit lately. But if Ford is gonna piss off and rip off their customers, and you're saying every other manufacturer is gonna do the same thing, you can still avoid giving them money through the used market.

The way new vehicles are going my 2020 Ranger will likely be the newest vehicle I will ever own. I'm not going to buy into all the new BS surrounding these new vehicles, I'll ride a scooter before I do that.

 

[Joeiconic]

But if Ford is gonna piss off and rip off their customers, and you're saying every other manufacturer is gonna do the same thing,

No, that’s not what I said at all. I simply said all manufacturers are in the same boat with respect to the supply chain and their ability to provide “content”. It will sort itself out eventually.

 

[Jason B]

How long before...


"Oh...you want to USE you're backup camera and blindspot assist? Well that will be an extra 12.99/month each. But if you buy yhe annusl plan-sorry, no additional discount-, we'll throw in a free 30 day trial of tailgate damping".

You mean like BMW and their subscription to heated seats?

My cousin owns a repair shop and used car lot. He says not to buy a 2021 or 2022 anything, they're all garbage because of supply chain issues.

That not true. My '21 came with everything it's supposed to have from the factory. I can see this being different with higher models, like if they eliminated LED headlights on a Lariat.

 

[Stevedbvik1]

Say this 5 times fast.

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[RangerVol]

You mean like BMW and their subscription to heated seats?



That not true. My '21 came with everything it's supposed to have from the factory. I can see this being different with higher models, like if they eliminated LED headlights on a Lariat.

I don't think he was talking about them missing items but the QC on them and parts are probably worse due to covid and lack of work ethic

 

[RedDakooter05]

This,this,this,this,this

tits.

 

[NeptuneRanger]

There is always a choice. Even if it is an F100 or Ranger from the 70s or 80s. If it's in a dry state with no rust they can be brought back to life and you won't have to worry about chip shortages, $3000 AC blend door repairs or mice chewing your wires because they have soy-based wraps on them.

There is a beauty in that sentiment, keeping things simple makes life easier. The problem is most of this safety equipment is actually mandated not only by market competition but also by government regulation. Even though most if not all on this forum have Rangers with all the safety features, the question is what if a safety related part goes bad, is one available to replace it ?

The value of older vehicles that are simpler to repair will naturally go up. I believe the days of folks trading vehicles every 2-3 years with the exception of leases is coming to an end, especially if the fed bumps interest rates another point this week.

 

[MountainGoat]

There is a beauty in that sentiment, keeping things simple makes life easier. The problem is most of this safety equipment is actually mandated not only by market competition but also by government regulation. Even though most if not all on this forum have Rangers with all the safety features, the question is what if a safety related part goes bad, is one available to replace it ?

The value of older vehicles that are simpler to repair will naturally go up. I believe the days of folks trading vehicles every 2-3 years with the exception of leases is coming to an end, especially if the fed bumps interest rates another point this week.

Hence why I'm getting charged $960 for a new windshield. They have to recalibrate the lane keep stuff that I turned off on day one and will never use. An extra $300 for that. I'm shopping around.

I've read the used car market bubble might burst soon and with gas prices so high the best deals will be on full size old trucks I'm hoping.

 

[Midnightmoon]

I lived in Pittsburgh for nearly 4 yrs, recall when I moved there had to deal with PA inspection so took the car to a shop that was owned by the husband of the lady where our kids were in day care, thinking it would not be a rip off. How completely wrong I was, it was flunked for numerous items - some not on the up and up like brake linings which were above the min.. Incensed I railed about it at the office where I worked and people meekly responded with " your lucky as the inspections used to be required 2x a year. " I had a dime sized hole in the muffler that I patched with muffler cement and that in PA is also illegal. Don't know how people put up with that type of over governance - study after study has affirmed no correlation to increased accidents in states where annual vehicle inspections have been dropped. Before leaving I did force the USPS to make mail deliveries to my home - I lived in a north suburb , the local postal workers hated me but I was completely in the right as often you couldn't find a spot to park at the local post office - because it was also the place where the lazy *ss postal workers spent more time socializing with locals than working.

Trust me when I tell you that it hasn't gotten any better since you left. In fact, probably worse. The shop where I moonlight is an inspection station. I've been working in a garage for well over 20 years and I can tell you that I've seen more scrutiny from the state over the individual inspection stations in the last 2 years than I have in the past 20+ combined. Most of it is paperwork related. But, if you own an inspection station or have your inspection license, you better not let a vehicle out the door that has an issue. The state will pull your license and/or fine you.

One of the techs that I work with got himself in a bind for passing a vehicle that had frame rust issues. The owner took it immediately and traded it in at a dealer after he put a new sticker on it. The dealership turned it in to the state once they went over it and sure enough, he lost his inspection license for 6 months. So, not necessarily coming to the defense of the inspection station that you described. But, I can understand why they were so strict when your vehicle was there.

By far the quickest way to lose your license is to pass a deleted diesel. But, that is a story for a different day.

 

[dtech]

Trust me when I tell you that it hasn't gotten any better since you left. In fact, probably worse. The shop where I moonlight is an inspection station. I've been working in a garage for well over 20 years and I can tell you that I've seen more scrutiny from the state over the individual inspection stations in the last 2 years than I have in the past 20+ combined. Most of it is paperwork related. But, if you own an inspection station or have your inspection license, you better not let a vehicle out the door that has an issue. The state will pull your license and/or fine you.

One of the techs that I work with got himself in a bind for passing a vehicle that had frame rust issues. The owner took it immediately and traded it in at a dealer after he put a new sticker on it. The dealership turned it in to the state once they went over it and sure enough, he lost his inspection license for 6 months. So, not necessarily coming to the defense of the inspection station that you described. But, I can understand why they were so strict when your vehicle was there.

By far the quickest way to lose your license is to pass a deleted diesel. But, that is a story for a different day.

Thanks for the empathy - the 1st station I went to went over the car completely - but flagged brakes and tires - both which were nearing the legal limit but still legal, also flagged was window tint on the rear windows - legal in CO but not in PA so I had to remove it. Then went to another station where everything passed (even the patched muffler) except the windshield wiper blades, weary of this I gave them the ok to replace, I get a call at the end of the day saying they looked all over and couldn't find proper replacements (my Saab 9000) so thank the lord they just passed it, reasonable shop.
The other irksome thing and not unique to PA were the state run liquor and beer stores - a carry over from prohibition days that didn't allow for open market price competition. I used to cover the entire western part of the state and into parts of W Virginia and Ohio, calling on mostly mfg firms, and it was fascinating seeing how many towns had some connection to the steel industry.

 

[dtech]

One other interesting thing about PA - lots of road salt, I bought my 1991 Taurus SHO there, brought my 1986 Saab 9000 when I moved, both were driven similar miles, after 4 yrs when I moved back to CO and did work like brakes and other undercarriage stuff - the bolts and other fasteners on the SHO would just snap off whereas on the Saab they held up just fine.

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