Another electric Ford pickup truck is coming, Farley says

[Grumpaw]

Around town/locally, an electric may be OK, but the limited range would be a no sale for a long distance run, or pulling a travel trailer. When we travel towing our travel trailer and running at 65 mph, I doubt that it would get more than 200 miles before needing a charge.
When we go, we generally run around 400 miles in a days run. Stopping every 2-3 hours to recharge foe several hours is out of the question.
Then the problem of charging at a campground...in all our travels we have only come across a handful of campgrounds with charging stations, and most of the older mom n pop campgrounds don't have the infrastructure to support running heavy electric lines.
And if you boondock the problem becomes even more of a problem.
Develop an electric pickup that has at least a 400 mile range while carrying/towing a full load at 65 mph and I might be interested, along with the ability to be charged from readily available 30/50 amp service found at most campgrounds.

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[Deleted member 1634]

Around town/locally, an electric may be OK, but the limited range would be a no sale for a long distance run, or pulling a travel trailer. When we travel towing our travel trailer and running at 65 mph, I doubt that it would get more than 200 miles before needing a charge.

When we tow with our Ranger we barely go more than 200-240 miles on a tank before needing to fill up (w/ some reserve to spare of course) too. So the range of gas vehicles is already limited when towing.

When we go, we generally run around 400 miles in a days run. Stopping every 2-3 hours to recharge foe several hours is out of the question.

We also usually stop every 2-3hrs anyways for any number of reasons. To stretch our legs, get a bite to eat, look at something interesting, give the dogs a walk, fill up on gas, etc. And it wouldn't take "several hours" to charge. A lot of new EVs can go from 20-80% in a half hour or less at Level 3 fast chargers around the country.
Everyone is in so much of a damn hurry to get places these days that stopping for a half hour every couple hours is somehow the end of the world and unacceptable. It used to take months to get across the country, so you can certainly stand to take an extra hour or two a day to get where you're going. Live a little, enjoy the journey, and relax.

Then the problem of charging at a campground...in all our travels we have only come across a handful of campgrounds with charging stations, and most of the older mom n pop campgrounds don't have the infrastructure to support running heavy electric lines.
And if you boondock the problem becomes even more of a problem.

You also can't fill up with gasoline at campgrounds either, so this isn't a specific EV issue. Same with the boondocking argument. If you're out in the middle of nowhere low on fuel, whether that's electricity or gasoline, you're still out of luck either way. In fact, they're actually adding EV charging stations to off-road trailheads currently. So it's actually harder to get gas than electricity in some off-road places now. Same with most campgrounds. If you get an electric site for your camper, we usually don't but a lot of people do, then you can certainly plug your electric vehicle into the shore power post. It won't charge fast, but it'll charge. Can't say the same for a gasoline powered vehicle.


I'm not saying electric vehicles are perfect or anything, just that most of the arguments against them are easily answered by saying their not specific to EVs or just people are too damn impatient these days.

 

[JesseS]

When we tow with our Ranger we barely go more than 200-240 miles on a tank before needing to fill up (w/ some reserve to spare of course) too. So the range of gas vehicles is already limited when towing.



We also usually stop every 2-3hrs anyways for any number of reasons. To stretch our legs, get a bite to eat, look at something interesting, give the dogs a walk, fill up on gas, etc. And it wouldn't take "several hours" to charge. A lot of new EVs can go from 20-80% in a half hour or less at Level 3 fast chargers around the country.
Everyone is in so much of a damn hurry to get places these days that stopping for a half hour every couple hours is somehow the end of the world and unacceptable. It used to take months to get across the country, so you can certainly stand to take an extra hour or two a day to get where you're going. Live a little, enjoy the journey, and relax.



You also can't fill up with gasoline at campgrounds either, so this isn't a specific EV issue. Same with the boondocking argument. If you're out in the middle of nowhere low on fuel, whether that's electricity or gasoline, you're still out of luck either way. In fact, they're actually adding EV charging stations to off-road trailheads currently. So it's actually harder to get gas than electricity in some off-road places now. Same with most campgrounds. If you get an electric site for your camper, we usually don't but a lot of people do, then you can certainly plug your electric vehicle into the shore power post. It won't charge fast, but it'll charge. Can't say the same for a gasoline powered vehicle.


I'm not saying electric vehicles are perfect or anything, just that most of the arguments against them are easily answered by saying their not specific to EVs or just people are too damn impatient these days.

All good points, we subscribe to the 3@3 rule when traveling, 3PM or 300 miles whichever comes first and we get off the road. Avoid most of the rush hour, avoid being too tired to set up camp and so forth. Always fuel up at last station before stopping, and we stop for a break every 2-3 hours for the same reasons you do. I am in no great hurry to get to my destination, you miss a lot by just flying by on the road. I would go for a hybrid Ranger that got say +40Mpg, until then our run about is my wife's Prius that gets 55+ mpg, which looks pretty good at $5+ a gallon.

 

[Grumpaw]

Matt, some of your points are valid, but it all depends on the way we travel.
Yeah, 200 mile limit on Rangers distance towing, but to fuel up only takes a few minutes.
I do not want to be sitting at a charge station in the heat waiting for my Ranger to charge up.
We run from around 9 am to 3-4 pm depending on destination, so adding another hour or two is not in our interests...and we do not rush.
Probably 65 % of our route is via secondary state and US roadways, where gas id readily available, but charging stations are not.
And, yes, almost all campgrounds are equipped with 30/50 amp pedestals, but several we have been to have rules against using their power to charge your electric unless you pay.
And, next time you travel to Alaska via the Alcan Highway, where gas is available, let me know how many charging stations you find...even many campgrounds are only equipped with 115 volt outlets...barely enough to run our microwave and coffee maker at the same time.
Been up thru there twice, and even with a 55 gallon tank on our old class c, I always carried extra gas, cause many fuel stations are much further apart than 200 miles. What you gonna do when your truck runs out of volts 50 miles in the middle of nowhere ?
I can see and understand your point, but for any type of long distance, electrics are just not feasible, at least at this time.

 

[NoTacos]

There could be a bright economic side to having to stop more often and charge batteries. With the advent of better mileage has also lead to a demise to small towns in some places. So if we have to do more stops it might help revitalize these places. Yeah - I know, I have rose coloured glasses on.

To stop and smell the roses once in while isn’t a bad idea either.Probably better for our mental health. I have to remember to do this myself once in awhile.

 

[CB750F]

Please, please , please, a PHEV Ranger. A little worried about the price....
All good points about pro/con EV but in 1910, horse people, thought the car was stupid because there where not many gas stations. The infrastructure will be built & all will be good.
Today, for sure there are issues but an EV is a disruptor.
We want to buy a TT & travel across Canada & up to Alaska, so now a PHEV, I think, would be good?

 

[dtech]

Why? When you leave them hanging with suspicion it attracts more interest. It's already doing with this thread and I'm sure on many other Ford forums. Farley is smart to just drop a "hint" and leave everyone wondering.

Oh please please pretty please with sugar on it, Mr Farley tell us just a little bit more . I think Ford's investment in EVs was likely the primary reason Ford's market cap in late 2021 exceeded that of GMs. GM came up with that showboat electric hummer and lagged Ford in the Silverado electric announcement.

Oh yeah gotta leave GM guessing what Ford's next move is.

 

[AzScorpion]

Oh please please pretty please with sugar on it, Mr Farley tell us just a little bit more . I think Ford's investment in EVs was likely the primary reason Ford's market cap in late 2021 exceeded that of GMs. GM came up with that showboat electric hummer and lagged Ford in the Silverado electric announcement.

Oh yeah gotta leave GM guessing what Ford's next move is.

Unless they're introducing a whole new truck (doubt it) it's either going to be a Ford Ranger "Lightning" edition or a full EV maverick.

? The more I think of it I'm guessing a Ranger Lightning Edition as the Mavericks already a hybrid. But then again they could go fully EV with it.?

 

[dtech]

Unless they're introducing a whole new truck (doubt it) it's either going to be a Ford Ranger "Lightning" edition or a full EV maverick.

? The more I think of it I'm guessing a Ranger Lightning Edition as the Mavericks already a hybrid. But then again they could go fully EV with it.?

Why not an EV Ranger ? Rivian claimed 71k pre-orders but is in trouble for jacking up prices and customers are bailing, it's not much larger than a Ranger and I would think Ford could produce a better and less expensive EV Ranger than Rivian trucks.

I'm not convinced oil pricing is ever going back to the pre pandemic levels and with a tightening economy I think we'll see a shift back to smaller more efficient vehicles and the climate change thing is gaining a lot of momentum .

This dude from Colorado made quite the global warning statement:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/24/us/politics/climate-activist-self-immolation-supreme-court.html

 

[AzScorpion]

Why not an EV Ranger ? Rivian claimed 71k pre-orders but is in trouble for jacking up prices and customers are bailing, it's not much larger than a Ranger and I would think Ford could produce a better and less expensive EV Ranger than Rivian trucks.

I'm not convinced oil pricing is ever going back to the pre pandemic levels and with a tightening economy I think we'll see a shift back to smaller more efficient vehicles and the climate change thing is gaining a lot of momentum .

This dude from Colorado made quite the global warning statement:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/24/us/politics/climate-activist-self-immolation-supreme-court.html

That's what I meant by a Ranger "Lightning" Edition. It'll be a full EV but just a new package kind of like the Tremor package.

 

[NoTacos]

That's what I meant by a Ranger "Lightning" Edition. It'll be a full EV but just a new package kind of like the Tremor package.

i am betting on a ranger. Makes sense. Having a Frunk (is that what it’s called ?) would be awesome for the ranger since storage sucks as is. But they have to put the hood struts back. Not sure how useful it is with a prop rod on a Frunk ? I guess they would have to reverse that deleted item. Mind you, they might instead give you a bungee cord you strap the hood back with instead. For those who have hood struts better take them with you and put on the new EV Ranger! Don’t forget your TG damper too.

 

[AzScorpion]

i am betting on a ranger. Makes sense. Having a Frunk (is that what it’s called ?) would be awesome for the ranger since storage sucks as is. But they have to put the hood struts back. Not sure how useful it is with a prop rod on a Frunk ? I guess they would have to reverse that deleted item. Mind you, they might instead give you a bungee cord you strap the hood back with instead. For those who have hood struts better take them with you and put on the new EV Ranger! Don’t forget your TG damper too.

Maybe that's why the deleted the hood struts now. To save inventory for the all new Frunk struts. ?

 

[NoTacos]

Maybe that's why the deleted the hood struts now. To save inventory for the all new Frunk struts. ?

?????

 

[Yinzcity]

Given that the 6G ranger is sharing a platform with the VW Amarok and VW is going all in on electrics, I'd bet it's going to be an EV Ranger.

That being said, I think a PHEV Maverick would be easier for Ford to do, they've already got the power train in the Escape PHEV, so I imagine the only problem to solve for the Maverick is battery packaging.

 

[DakotaGuy]

Maybe that's why the deleted the hood struts now. To save inventory for the all new Frunk struts. ?

Actually all of the cost cutting we’ve seen on the Ranger is just a preview of what’s to come for the ICE “Ford Blue” vehicles going forward. Ford’s plan is to maximize and squeeze every cent of profit out of the remaining conventional ICE vehicles to fund BEV development, production and marketing. At a certain point if you want the nice features you will have to go BEV because the remaining ICE vehicles will be a shell of their former self.

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