Question on actual quality issues

[NOVA_Ranger]

Me too. THOSE birds

I’m seeing a couple of spots where debris is in the paint, but all aren’t too noticeable. Sort of like a small stone chip or something like that. Also, on the color-matched fender trim they seemed to miss the entire rear/inner edge of it...you can see the black plastic through the paint, which looks more like heavy overspray. Again, not an obvious flaw unless you’re looking close.

Overall I’m very happy with the truck, but I’m not going to ignore any shortcoming I notice.

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[Floyd]

From everywhere I have read, the #1 complaint by people who don't by a Tacoma or have traded in their Tacoma is comfort. There would by a lot more Tacomas on the road if not for crappy driving ergonomics. I'd be in one most likely. If it came down to a contest between the Ranger and a similarly comfortable Tacoma...man, I don't know. Throw in the much better color choices of the Tacoma and I'd probably choose the Tacoma.

Definitely not a sheeple. Buy what I want with 0 allegiance to any brand. Had 3 Fords though. All had problems of some sort...hopefully the 4th breaks the trend but I'm not holding my breath. All my rice grinders have been 100% reliable.

When I lived in Thailand, the Ranger has a pretty good reliability record and I talked my British neighbor into buying one back in 2017. Nice truck. He absolutely hated Ford but liked the Ranger he bought quite a bit.

I understand your confusion, and why you think Toyota deserves "0" brand loyalty.
You can put lipstick (paint color) on a pig and call it honey, but its still a pig.
I bought the best truck on the market, as I have many times, and it ain't Toyota.
Toyota's substandard Tundra is already on the ropes.
Tell Tacoma that the Ranger is back!

 

[djrobb]

I doubt it. They basically just added electric height adjustment on the seats...which would be great if the tacoma weren't already headroom-challenged (especially after they make you take the damn moonroof).

Yea, I remember watching a video this spring of a guy who was like 5' 9" ramming his head into the ceiling with the power seats on the 2020 at a car show. Power seats is a start, but it's a band-aid. You will now be able to choose if you want to sit on the floor, or bang your head into the ceiling. Just not enough height in there to get it right.

 

[Geoff]

So, I've been following this forum since December of 2018. I was seriously considering getting a Ranger Lariat but decided that the timing was not right for me.

Ive decided to wait until at least the 2020 model.

As I said, I've been reading all the posts for months now and am curious if the issues owners have been having are common or are they rare.

The issues I've been reading up on lately are:

Bad Injectors
Frame lower on one side
Scratches under clear coat
Fuel mpgs are all over

Those are the few that come to mind.

Does anyone have actual information on the percentages of each of these issues?

Oh, I certainty understand that a small percentage of Ranger owners post on this forum so I know the the numbers, if anyone has them, will be based on these members only.

Lastly, my curiosity stems from the many posts that the American 2019 Ranger is not new and has been continuously made around the world...just not sold here in the US. Why then, are all the issues I mentioned as well as others I didn't? These issues are usually present in new models...growing pains so to speak. It seems that these "bugs" should have been worked out by now around the world.

First off, how would anyone have percentages on these 'issues'? Only Ford has that and they're certainly NOT going to share that info.
Secondly, this is a forum and forums are noted for having posts from folks with issues.

The injector issues is a good example. Ric and others have had some serious [and disgusting] wait times while waiting for repairs but this is not a common problem (what are there, maybe 6-10 posts with injector issues and they sold, what, >40000 trucks, so is this injector issue widespread)? I think not. And it appears to be just an injector issue - they probably got a marginal batch from their supplier, or alternate supplier. It certainly doesn't appear to be a design issue. As parts become available repair times should decrease and then it's all better, with no long term implications.

Frame lower on one side....again how many have been reported and how many trucks have been sold. If you buy off the lot this is a NON-issue.

Scratches under clear coat....yeppers it happens. And it'll happen in a 2020 model or a 2025 model. Nothing is perfect. I have two small paint blemishes. I can live with that and I don't think I've gotten a vehicle yet with a perfect paint job. Again, if you buy off the lot it's a NON-issue.

Fuel mileage is going to vary depending on driver and circumstances. MY 2020 fuel mileage is likely going to be the same situation. There aren't any guarantees with mpg/s but how you drive will absolutely play a huge role in your personal mileage.

Fortunately, I've had none of these issues and I'd bet the majority here are in the same place.

 

[toddiscdn]

I have a fairly early one, built in Dec. 2018 and on the road since early Jan. and no issues here to speak of., Mine seems to sit level, injectors seem to be a recent build issue, now at around 13000km or 8000+miles still going strong!

 

[psweeney]

I have none of the issues you've mentioned either. Lariat FX4 SuperCrew with just over 1000 miles including a Baja offroad trip and I've got nothing but praise for this truck even as stock. And in very mixed driving (from highway cruising to 4Lo in rocky washouts) over that first 1000 miles which is technically the break in period for the engine/gearbox combo so this should go up over time, I've averaged 21.7 mpg. I'm totally fine with that for what this truck is. True reliability/longevity will still be a question and there's no way they have the length of life as a Toyota, but when I got in a Tacoma as part of my cross-shopping, it just felt like a 5-7 year old truck sitting on the dealer lot brand new. So I'll take a few years less of total life (odds are I dont own this truck 20 years from now anyway) to have something much more livable and something that makes me much more excited to get in it and drive every day. Just my 2c

 

[FX4Offroad]

First off, how would anyone have percentages on these 'issues'? Only Ford has that and they're certainly NOT going to share that info.
Secondly, this is a forum and forums are noted for having posts from folks with issues.

The injector issues is a good example. Ric and others have had some serious [and disgusting] wait times while waiting for repairs but this is not a common problem (what are there, maybe 6-10 posts with injector issues and they sold, what, >40000 trucks, so is this injector issue widespread)? I think not. And it appears to be just an injector issue - they probably got a marginal batch from their supplier, or alternate supplier. It certainly doesn't appear to be a design issue. As parts become available repair times should decrease and then it's all better, with no long term implications.

Frame lower on one side....again how many have been reported and how many trucks have been sold. If you buy off the lot this is a NON-issue.

Scratches under clear coat....yeppers it happens. And it'll happen in a 2020 model or a 2025 model. Nothing is perfect. I have two small paint blemishes. I can live with that and I don't think I've gotten a vehicle yet with a perfect paint job. Again, if you buy off the lot it's a NON-issue.

Fuel mileage is going to vary depending on driver and circumstances. MY 2020 fuel mileage is likely going to be the same situation. There aren't any guarantees with mpg/s but how you drive will absolutely play a huge role in your personal mileage.

Fortunately, I've had none of these issues and I'd bet the majority here are in the same place.

Why do you sound angry? This sure seems like a pattern with you and other members.

It was a simple question that most member understood.

If you don't have any of these issues, that great, really.

Why you gotta be that way?

 

[Floyd]

I have none of the issues you've mentioned either. Lariat FX4 SuperCrew with just over 1000 miles including a Baja offroad trip and I've got nothing but praise for this truck even as stock. And in very mixed driving (from highway cruising to 4Lo in rocky washouts) over that first 1000 miles which is technically the break in period for the engine/gearbox combo so this should go up over time, I've averaged 21.7 mpg. I'm totally fine with that for what this truck is. True reliability/longevity will still be a question and there's no way they have the length of life as a Toyota, but when I got in a Tacoma as part of my cross-shopping, it just felt like a 5-7 year old truck sitting on the dealer lot brand new. So I'll take a few years less of total life (odds are I dont own this truck 20 years from now anyway) to have something much more livable and something that makes me much more excited to get in it and drive every day. Just my 2c

I just sold my 18YO Ranger to buy my new one, it left my driveway running as good as the day it arrived, still able to out perform any comparably equipped new Tacoma on its best day.
That was 18 years of towing RVs, car dollies, car trailers, and utility trailers. I will admit that I did mostly drive on pavement.
So....Yes way!

 

[THLONE]

Why do you sound angry? This sure seems like a pattern with you and other members.

It was a simple question that most member understood.

If you don't have any of these issues, that great, really.

Why you gotta be that way?

YOU asked for opinions from other people and that is what you got, why are YOU complaining? YOU didnt get the answers that YOU wanted, too bad. Why you gotta be that way?

 

[Geoff]

Why do you sound angry? This sure seems like a pattern with you and other members.

It was a simple question that most member understood.

If you don't have any of these issues, that great, really.

Why you gotta be that way?

I'm not angry. And I did understand your post. It's just that I don't understand your reasoning:

Lastly, my curiosity stems from the many posts that the American 2019 Ranger is not new and has been continuously made around the world...just not sold here in the US. Why then, are all the issues I mentioned as well as others I didn't? These issues are usually present in new models...growing pains so to speak. It seems that these "bugs" should have been worked out by now around the world./quote]

How would the 'bugs" be worked out on the ROTW Ranger when this is a new engine/tranny combo unique to the 2019 NA Rangers?
How do paint blemishes and frame levelness benefit from the ROTW Ranger builds?

Sorry I didn't answer your question to please you. Why are you so angry - because I don't agree with your assertions??

 

[FX4Offroad]

YOU asked for opinions from other people and that is what you got, why are YOU complaining? YOU didnt get the answers that YOU wanted, too bad. Why you gotta be that way?

Nice. Lol

 

[Hounddog409]

A close look at my tuck's paint job leaves a bit to be desired. Not terrible but definitely not great either.

Why do you sound angry? This sure seems like a pattern with you and other members.

It was a simple question that most member understood.

If you don't have any of these issues, that great, really.

Why you gotta be that way?

That didn't read angry to me at all. May e you read it angry?

 

[FX4Offroad]

That didn't read angry to me at all. May e you read it angry?

I guess j did.

 

[Floyd]

I'm not angry. And I did understand your post. It's just that I don't understand your reasoning:

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How would the 'bugs" be worked out on the ROTW Ranger when this is a new engine/tranny combo unique to the 2019 NA Rangers?
How do paint blemishes and frame levelness benefit from the ROTW Ranger builds?

Sorry I didn't answer your question to please you. Why are you so angry - because I don't agree with your assertions??

I have closely examined just about every new Ranger to arrive at every dealer within 50 miles of my house while anxiously awaiting my STX... some I had to even "Drive Further" and now I have had a few days to examine my own.

While there are always a few unique parts to fit any variation or application, neither the engine nor the transmission on the new Ranger are unique or wholly new. Each is fully developed and proven.
While it is sad when someone finds a spec of dust under a paint job, it certainly does not constitute an endemic problem (AKA a "bug").
Strawmen and canards are no substitute for facts or reason in any discussion, unless the goal is obfuscation.

 

[Av8or]

I've got 1k miles on my Lariat FX4 Sport appearance package and my only complaint is that one of my body panels is just an 1/8th inch too far in compared to the hood. The tailgate fitment leaves a bit to be desired as well... otherwise she's perfect!

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