Turn off adaptive transmission process!

[TJC]

Thanks... I am editing that sentence.

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[Racket]

you're going to reach that magical 95K implosion mileage just driving this thing trying to get it to feel right.

Between your post and Sid @Msfitoy it might explain why Ford recommends a possibly unattainable 150K trans fluid change. May also explain the lack of an easily accessible transmission dip stick.

My expectation is a rebuild down the road if I - as I plan to - keep my truck longer. Only in the last year or so did Ford change the build of the 10R80 to address premature failure.

Out of pocket it would cost a lot - six grand or so is a substantial $ of the value of the truck depending on how much utility you expect to get from it.

 

[Msfitoy]

Between your post and Sid @Msfitoy it might explain why Ford recommends a possibly unattainable 150K trans fluid change. May also explain the lack of an easily accessible transmission dip stick.

My expectation is a rebuild down the road if I - as I plan to - keep my truck longer. Only in the last year or so did Ford change the build of the 10R80 to address premature failure.

Out of pocket it would cost a lot - six grand or so is a substantial $ of the value of the truck depending on how much utility you expect to get from it.

Some one here (a Unicorn) did say they have more miles than me and still on original trans...

 

[TJC]

Think Bell Curve. You are definitely in the 90th+ percentile.

 

[LowKeyTremor]

Ford acknowledged the problems via TSBs and apparently have a plan to redesign/fix it plan soon like GM already did for the 2023 with the 8L90. Sample size or not....

The 10R80 has problems. Problems that are not just in people's heads or "trucks should drive like crap" sort of thing.

The fact this group is small relative to the number out there and so many have issues or complete failures is a bit of a problem IMO. That or all our online trolling is creating bad truck karma...

All that said. I swear everyone is building crap transmissions these days... especially with trucks. So many of the same complaints if you search around for something to swap too... so it's like throwing the dice with almost any if you get a good trans or a grenade. I sort of feel like mine has the pin pulled but no idea on the fuses timing....

I am almost throwing up saying this but the Ram seems to be the least complained about for transmissions... but they cheated with a ZF unit.

How things have changed and it seems they really did learn (for the longest time, the Dodge transmission scared the hell out of me… I got rid of the Durango as soon as I felt it being weird on a couple of shifts! I did not want to stick around and find out the end of that hopefully non-eventful story, but potential nightmare!

I’ve had the ZF transmission on a few cars I really love it! On a performance basis, it can hold it down against the DCT. Hit it with an XHP tuner and OMG, that will show you how a transmission is supposed to shift! But you gotta be in the mood for performance

Kudos for dodge to just have the tranny, built a company with a proven record!

honestly, I am with the poster who said that everyone wanted it to be so comfortable. Well, as soon as it went from like minivan to SUV, and now to four-door truck, has the soccer mom vehicle, they want it soft, and we are paying those repercussions.

 

[LowKeyTremor]

I think it’s a luck of the draw or personal preference thing. i like the 10 speed so far. My ZF8 was terrible. ??‍

you know what, that’s probably the truth when it boils down to it. You have me a couple posts beneath singing its praises, lol

I had it in a couple BMWs, and it seemed to read my mind almost. And then you could also add the XHP tuner, which would allow that transmission to be completely changed in the characteristics, how much pressure is being applied on, quite a few characteristics, and it really turned these into beasts. They really woke up and we kind of equivalent of adding a throttle booster to get that drive-by wire signal. Actually give you some power right away. Well, maybe it’s about analogy but it wakes the transmission up just that same way.

That being said, I guess in 2004 I did have a 545 BMW that started slipping and under warranty I got the transmission replaced but 10,000 back then… That was a lot. Still feels like a hell of a lot today.

But I just had way more with good experiences.

 

[Motorpsychology]

My 2021 is doing a hard 3-skip-to-5 shift under moderate acceleration, but under light or hard acceleration it goes3-4-5 smoothly. Also, when cruising on lever roads at ~35mph 8th gear she'll get jerky as it tries to coast with the trans. staying in direct drive. It will do this at ~50-55mph in 9th sometimes, too.
The service writer fold me to disconnect the battery for 15 minutes, then reconnect and take it for a normal drive of 25 miles. His thinking is the fuzzy logic picked up a fault somewhere. I still made an appointment to have it looked at.
regardless to start a paper trail. 29 months and 50,545 mi. I have a 10yr/150k extended warranty and nothing would make me happier than to never use it.

Update: 11/21/23
I just got back from the dealer, and now my 10R80 is as smooth as a 50's Buick Dynaflow. There were no codes but they did the TSB 23-2250, reprogram the "TRID" (wottza trid?) into the PCM and reset the KAM. I have no clue what all that alpha-babble is, but it worked. I just include it for anyone taking their Ranger in.
They did a road test/re-learn and it now doesn't seem to skip 2, shifts 3-4-5 and up smoothly with no skip under light or heavy acceleration. It still likes to short shift, but at ~100 rpm higher. IMO, think the new program is sort of "Trailer Towing Lite;" similar pattern with a bit more slush.

 

[Jhbryaniv]

Have you tried to do the actual relearn procedure or are you just resetting and driving?


Another must-do is performing an Adaptive Learning Drive Cycle. Perform this procedure before condemning the transmission for removal if you suspect that prior repairs were performed that may have affected the transmission operation. This procedure must be performed if the transmission was rebuilt or replaced, the TCM was replaced or reprogrammed, major engine work was performed, or air/fuel management adaptive values were reset. The Adaptive Learning Drive Cycle is performed on a level road as follows:

1. Record then clear DTC’s
2. Drive the vehicle until the engine and transmission reach normal operating temperature.
3. Accelerate from a stop with light throttle (15%), ensuring that upshifts 1st through 8th occur at engine speeds between 1300-1600 rpm.
4. Continue to accelerate (may apply slightly more throttle after 7-8 upshift at 32-38 mph (51-61 km/h) until you achieve 55 mph (88 km/h) and the 8-9 and 9-10 shifts complete.
5. Brake gently to a complete stop and hold the foot brake for five (5) seconds.
6. Shift the transmission to Neutral. Wait 1 second.
7. Shift the transmission to Reverse. Wait 2 seconds.
8. Shift the transmission to Neutral. Wait 1 second.
9. Shift the transmission to Drive. Wait 2 seconds.
10. Repeat Steps 3 through 9 six (6) additional times.

After the final step, place the vehicle in park and cycle the ignition key off. Wait 3-5 minutes before driving to ensure enough time for the coding to be written to the module.

Thanks for posting this.

I just do the learning reset procedure (I have to read back and make sure i select the proper clear) and head off to do this drive cycle?

Now to locate a flat not busy road I can get upto 55mph on.... ?

Just turn the key off. Engineers always have to sound important.

But, but, but I am important. My mommy tells me everytime when she brings down my pizza bites.

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