Transmission work needed at 50,000 per Ford dealer

[Jhbryaniv]

There is no curing the CDF bushing problem short of a major transmission rebuild. No additive is going to reseat the bushing and lock it into place.

I've seen a transmission repair video where the techs modify the drum to add a retainer ring that keeps the CDF bushing in place in the old style transmissions like early rangers have.

What I can't figure out is Ford has been using the 10R80 transmissions since 2017. Do all previous F150's and any other models that use the 10R80 have this same issue?

Answered my own question when searching for transmission info. Found this ambulance chaser who had details on the models.

I much prefer LubeGuard to a lawsuit.

I know it is the CDF drum that causes the issues - but is it possible that the valve body AND the CDF drum are the issues? and not always on the same trans?

ie my valve body might be gunked up and cleaning it fixes this for me (otherwise why is it a step in the TSB? [EDIT 2: or is that just a step because the engineers don't know what is really going on and needed to put something in the TSB before full rebuild/replacement?]) vs billy down the road who it does nothing and they have to rebuild his tranny. . .

it could also be that the butt dyno thinks it is fixed because the butt dyno "felt" the issue. . .


EDIT: I prefer that ford just admit there is a problem and fix all the trannies without a lot of run around. . . LOL ie I show up at dealer they test drive and the tranny is clunking and hard shifting etc - automatically replaced with a new tranny... I imagine it would be cheaper in the long run to just swap known good transmissions into vehicles instead of spending 5-16 hours diagnosing the issue and still having to replace the transmission...

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[ctechbob]

I know it is the CDF drum that causes the issues - but is it possible that the valve body AND the CDF drum are the issues? and not always on the same trans?

ie my valve body might be gunked up and cleaning it fixes this for me (otherwise why is it a step in the TSB? [EDIT 2: or is that just a step because the engineers don't know what is really going on and needed to put something in the TSB before full rebuild/replacement?]) vs billy down the road who it does nothing and they have to rebuild his tranny. . .

it could also be that the butt dyno thinks it is fixed because the butt dyno "felt" the issue. . .


EDIT: I prefer that ford just admit there is a problem and fix all the trannies without a lot of run around. . . LOL ie I show up at dealer they test drive and the tranny is clunking and hard shifting etc - automatically replaced with a new tranny... I imagine it would be cheaper in the long run to just swap known good transmissions into vehicles instead of spending 5-16 hours diagnosing the issue and still having to replace the transmission...

Lol, big companies don't think like that though.

Take a look at GM and their 8 speed (which is now the subject of a couple big class actions), they knew it was a turd almost from the rip and yet they doubled down on it and kept absolutely bleeding money with attempts to 'diagnose' and fix it (as viewed from the end-user perspective)

There are a pile of documents that have been unsealed that are a fantastic read, if you're in to that sort of thing, that demonstrates how these big guys work.

All that said, Ford aint going to admit anything more than they already have. They'll make running changes and deal with issues on a case-by-case basis and hope that the vat majority of them make it out of warranty.

https://www.cohenmilstein.com/wp-co...f-Misc.-Exhibits-Document-GM-Litigation_0.pdf

 

[Jhbryaniv]

Lol, big companies don't think like that though.

Take a look at GM and their 8 speed (which is now the subject of a couple big class actions), they knew it was a turd almost from the rip and yet they doubled down on it and kept absolutely bleeding money with attempts to 'diagnose' and fix it (as viewed from the end-user perspective)

There are a pile of documents that have been unsealed that are a fantastic read, if you're in to that sort of thing, that demonstrates how these big guys work.

All that said, Ford aint going to admit anything more than they already have. They'll make running changes and deal with issues on a case-by-case basis and hope that the vat majority of them make it out of warranty.

https://www.cohenmilstein.com/wp-co...f-Misc.-Exhibits-Document-GM-Litigation_0.pdf

I get it - wish in one hand - shit in the other and all that. I will have to glance over that link . . .

really I can't imagine there really are that many transmissions having issues out there - I mean there are a large number, but probably not significant.

I have to say it is interesting to me that they said they redesigned the CDF drum some for the '23 MY, and yet it is still on the TSB.

I wonder if I could trade this in for a jeep. . . LOL I can't believe I actually said that, I would not be caught dead driving a jeep . . .

 

[ctechbob]

Lol, big companies don't think like that though.

Take a look at GM and their 8 speed (which is now the subject of a couple big class actions), they knew it was a turd almost from the rip and yet they doubled down on it and kept absolutely bleeding money with attempts to 'diagnose' and fix it (as viewed from the end-user perspective)

There are a pile of documents that have been unsealed that are a fantastic read, if you're in to that sort of thing, that demonstrates how these big guys work.

All that said, Ford aint going to admit anything more than they already have. They'll make running changes and deal with issues on a case-by-case basis and hope that the vat majority of them make it out of warranty.

https://www.cohenmilstein.com/wp-co...f-Misc.-Exhibits-Document-GM-Litigation_0.pdf

This is an excellent testimoney. Basically GM saying 'yep, there's a problem, but if they're even a little bit out of warranty F-em.

https://www.cohenmilstein.com/wp-content/uploads/site/ECF No. 249-4 Tab 84 to Class Cert Reply Bulloch Testimony.pdf

 

[Jhbryaniv]

The descriptions on the last page - reads like what I told the service manager this morning . . .

Good to see Ford isn't the only ones ignoring the problem . . .

 

[Jhbryaniv]

This is an excellent testimoney. Basically GM saying 'yep, there's a problem, but if they're even a little bit out of warranty F-em.

https://www.cohenmilstein.com/wp-content/uploads/site/ECF No. 249-4 Tab 84 to Class Cert Reply Bulloch Testimony.pdf

Jesus, it gets worse and worse the more I read.

 

[ctechbob]

I get it - wish in one hand - shit in the other and all that. I will have to glance over that link . . .

Ohh, there are some real gems in there. It is a fantastic look behind the curtains at finger pointing, ass covering, and 'wtf are we gonna do'-ing.

 

[ctechbob]

Ohh, and buried in all the information is mention of our ULV fluid and that it is very well done and resistant to water contamination. Same fluid GM uses in their 10 speeds as well.

 

[Jhbryaniv]

Ohh, and buried in all the information is mention of our ULV fluid and that it is very well done and resistant to water contamination. Same fluid GM uses in their 10 speeds as well.

I am reading the expert testimony now, all of this was to save a couple of bucks per vehicle in manufacturing . . .

I can't read the data well enough to see what it has cost them so far, but I imagine they are wishing they had spent that extra 3 bucks per transmission . . .

 

[ctechbob]

I am reading the expert testimony now, all of this was to save a couple of bucks per vehicle in manufacturing . . .

I can't read the data well enough to see what it has cost them so far, but I imagine they are wishing they had spent that extra 3 bucks per transmission . . .

Exactly.

And I'm not saying Ford is involved in a coverup, but I think we can expect these huge companies to react almost the same way every time. You see it time and time again everywhere with these gigantic companies. Doesn't matter if it is cars, banking, construction, etc. They all act the same at a macro level.

 

[Jhbryaniv]

Exactly.

And I'm not saying Ford is involved in a coverup, but I think we can expect these huge companies to react almost the same way every time. You see it time and time again everywhere with these gigantic companies. Doesn't matter if it is cars, banking, construction, etc. They all act the same at a macro level.

Yuppers - it is so sad when companies can't just do what is right by the customers anymore.

but, that is why we have a court system to hold them accountable . . . as long as the person who goes up against them has enough money to fight a mega corporation . . . .

shrug in the meantime we will just hope we don't all get screwed. . . .

I really should get off here and go sharpen my mower blades but it is so much more entertaining to read the depositions of those clowns. . . .

 

[TJC]

The CDF drum issue will starve the transmission of fluid flow, destroying clutch plates and clogging the solenoids in the valve body. LubeGuard probably won't help this issue.

The valve body solenoids can stick all by themselves causing erratic shift behaviors. LubeGuard will definitely help this one.

I am not sure how common the CDF drum issue is. But I suspect the throttle body issue is far far more common.

Re: Corporate shenanigans
I worked for IBM for decades, and witnessed so much corruption at the mid to upper management levels that it at first shocked me.

invariably IBM would sign off on individual employee issues out of court (when a lawsuit was brought), but then as part of the agreement, forced the employee to sign an NDA as part of the agreement. They never admitted guilt, and they headed off a class action lawsuit by paying off the individual who had finally had enough IBM abuse.

IBM corporate considered it the cost of doing business!

This is exactly how they stole the retirement funds of millions of employees. I was one of them that lost my retirement 3 years from hitting the magic 30 years.

If you do a little research, you will find that IBM never releases layoff data. They never have massive layoffs, as they know where the line is when the government requires data to be submitted.

So they have a "resource action" here and there over time staying just below the government reporting requirements. They are guilty of age discrimination, just never caught at it.

They have the best lawyers money can buy... same for all the Corporate 1000.

 

[23HRPXL]

Nice to know that pump worked. I bought the same one earlier in the week. I didn't want to go expensive since I'll replace the pan with with the PPE or Mishimoto version so hopefully only need to pump once. I'm at ~ 12,000 miles now and plan to do the transmission fluid/filter at 20k intervals. I'm going to hold onto the old pan and if the transmission gives me trouble I may slap it back on before taking it to the dealer - not sure if that's a good plan. Anyway, my ranger is a 23 and I haven't had any issues with mine; perhaps they made some changes to address issues from earlier versions.

I have a '23 and put the PPE pan in, exactly what I plan on doing, swapping the old pan back if there is an issue.

 

[TJC]

Took the truck back out again tonight on a 45 mile shopping trip. It is a different truck! Smooth as silk shifts now. Wife was surprised and pleased.

 

[mtbikernate]

Looks like mine shit the bed today. Was trying to merge on the interstate and got the symptoms described in the TSB. Looks like extended warranty major job #2 for 2024 is coming up. The dealer that sold me the truck told me they're booked a month out. F*ck that noise. Found a dealer in the next county over who has an appointment spot open for Tuesday morning, so I'm going to limp it over there to have them deal with it. Currently collecting as much info as possible about my warranty, since I didn't buy the warranty there.

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