Tesla quality lacking

[D Fresh]

The average person drives 40 miles a day. Average Tesla uses about 250Wh/mile.
250Wh/mile x 40 miles = 10kWh for an average day drive.

My Charging stats
80kWh battery x .08/kwh = $6.40 for a full charge or about 250-300 miles depending on weather
$6.40 x 30 days adds about $192 in charging costs in a month

My work commute is about 35 miles one way.

My fuel costs on my Ranger are roughly $280 a month, and my Ranger gets pretty cruddy mileage.

So they're saving less than $100 a month, as I drive more miles. $1200 a year or roughly $15,000 over the life of the vehicle, assuming they keep it for 12 years like the average American.

Teslas cost at least $15k more than their ICE competitors.

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[got3fords]

Ever seen an oil spill? The big spills seem to happen every few years or so. Not saying lithium doesn’t have its problems, but compared to petroleum it has a long way to go before it even comes close to the environmental damage.

Spilled oil is largely naturally consumed by nature.

 

[DeathRanger]

My work commute is about 35 miles one way.

My fuel costs on my Ranger are roughly $280 a month, and my Ranger gets pretty cruddy mileage.

So they're saving less than $100 a month, as I drive more miles. $1200 a year or roughly $15,000 over the life of the vehicle, assuming they keep it for 12 years like the average American.

Teslas cost at least $15k more than their ICE competitors.

My charging stats above are for an EV driven 8000 miles in one month and needed a full recharge every day.

$192 of electricity for 8000 miles.

 

[D Fresh]

My charging stats above are for an EV driven 8000 miles in one month and needed a full recharge every day.

$192 of electricity for 8000 miles.

Your post said 40 miles per day, which would be roughly 1200 miles per month. Forgive my confusion.

 

[DeathRanger]

Your post said 40 miles per day, which would be roughly 1200 miles per month. Forgive my confusion.

it was confusing. I was trying to show average driver usage.

which for 40miles should be 10kWh. My electricity provider charges $.08/kwh.
so I could estimate average drive of 40 miles costing $0.80/day.

of course other areas pay more for electricity. some CA rates appear to be around .30/kWh. so roughly $3 in electricity costs.

something interesting i saw the other day as well when i travelled home.
the long term parking at the airport had a row of charging stations.
of course they were all filled with Tesla's. all plugged in, and none available to anyone else.
One had enough dust and dirt on it to believe its been parked there months, not just days or weeks.
The long term parking seems like an odd place to park, plug and and leave an electric car, without the ability for someone else to come use it when yours is fully charged.
seems like wasted resources to me.

Tesla's Superchargers charge an extra fee if you stay longer than needed to charge. It's pretty dang expensive.

Idle Fees By Country

Country	Currency	Idle fee (per minute)	Idle fee (per minute) when the station is 100% occupied
United States	USD	$0.50	$1.00
Canada	CAD	$0.50	$1.00

 

[Cabose-1]

There is no green solution!

Well yes there is!

Work within walking distance. Or take the bus, no more commuting, stop drinking from plastic water bottles.

All cars have the same tires from the same tire plants, grease in the bearins, steel, aluminum, copper from the same plants, paint, same dead cows for leather, same plastics.

Wher÷ is the saving the planet??
We just exchange one form of pollution for another form.

No easy solution

 

[D Fresh]

it was confusing. I was trying to show average driver usage.

which for 40miles should be 10kWh. My electricity provider charges $.08/kwh.
so I could estimate average drive of 40 miles costing $0.80/day.

of course other areas pay more for electricity. some CA rates appear to be around .30/kWh. so roughly $3 in electricity costs.

That seems more inline with what I'd expect.

 

[Marpater]

This data is from 2020. https://www.rd.com/article/car-brands-most-fewest-recalls/


Tesla
Recalls: 8
Vehicles affected: 210,727

Just one question, if Tesla has a recall where to you have to bring it for repair? there isn't any dealerships are there????

 

[McLeadslinger]

Performance wise. There is absolutely nothing made that competes with the model S Plaid in its price range. 8.9 second quarter mile stock. I do agree with your statement on the rest of Teslas line.

My work commute is about 35 miles one way.

My fuel costs on my Ranger are roughly $280 a month, and my Ranger gets pretty cruddy mileage.

So they're saving less than $100 a month, as I drive more miles. $1200 a year or roughly $15,000 over the life of the vehicle, assuming they keep it for 12 years like the average American.

Teslas cost at least $15k more than their ICE competitors.

 

[Yev]

Just one question, if Tesla has a recall where to you have to bring it for repair? there isn't any dealerships are there????

There are Tesla Service Centers which handle repairs. I guess a proximity to a nearest one depends on a location. Also if a fix is simple enough, there is Tesla Mobile Service. A technician can come to owner's location.

 

[D Fresh]

Performance wise. There is absolutely nothing made that competes with the model S Plaid in its price range. 8.9 second quarter mile stock. I do agree with your statement on the rest of Teslas line.

Straight line acceleration, yes.

Not too much fun at a track day I'd bet though.

Electrics offer some intriguing performance capabilities for sure.

 

[P. A. Schilke]

There are Tesla Service Centers which handle repairs. I guess a proximity to a nearest one depends on a location. Also if a fix is simple enough, there is Tesla Mobile Service. A technician can come to owner's location.

Hi Yev,

Okay, as an engineer, do you subscribe to the fact there are no onzees. We had two out of two Teslas that are piles of crap and regularly hauled off to Tucson for fixing. Small sample size is statically weak, but so is the fact that every once in a while a blind squirrel finds a nut if you have a Tesla that performs reliably....which I doubt. JMO...

Tesla had this "hands free" driving....how many did they kill under the wheels of a semi? My buddy in Ford developing Ford's hands free on "blue" roads said their Tesla comparitor vehicles were flat scary on what they did and the number of breakdowns of the vehicles was flat horrible... Horribly unreliable.

Glad the Rockets are doing much better....

Best,
Phil

 

[DeathRanger]

Hi Yev,

Okay, as an engineer, do you subscribe to the fact there are no onzees. We had two out of two Teslas that are piles of crap and regularly hauled off to Tucson for fixing. Small sample size is statically weak, but so is the fact that every once in a while a blind squirrel finds a nut if you have a Tesla that performs reliably....which I doubt. JMO...

Tesla had this "hands free" driving....how many did they kill under the wheels of a semi? My buddy in Ford developing Ford's hands free on "blue" roads said their Tesla comparitor vehicles were flat scary on what they did and the number of breakdowns of the vehicles was flat horrible... Horribly unreliable.

Glad the Rockets are doing much better....

Best,
Phil

I can only reference my personal experience which is 125,000 miles, with 0 maintence, since april of 2019 in a Tesla model 3. I've bought 2 sets of tires, which would wear out on any vehicle. Autpilot is used for most of the daily 150 miles commute and never had an issue.

 

[Yev]

Hi Yev,

Okay, as an engineer, do you subscribe to the fact there are no onzees. We had two out of two Teslas that are piles of crap and regularly hauled off to Tucson for fixing. Small sample size is statically weak, but so is the fact that every once in a while a blind squirrel finds a nut if you have a Tesla that performs reliably....which I doubt. JMO...

Tesla had this "hands free" driving....how many did they kill under the wheels of a semi? My buddy in Ford developing Ford's hands free on "blue" roads said their Tesla comparitor vehicles were flat scary on what they did and the number of breakdowns of the vehicles was flat horrible... Horribly unreliable.

Glad the Rockets are doing much better....

Best,
Phil

Hi Phil,
I just shared my personal experience with Model 3. Mine didn't have any problems so far.
I don't have a statistical data about entire fleet of Tesla. To be fair, I know a person who purchased 2x Model 3s and one of them had zero problems, the other one had few issues and he had to visit Service Center multiple times.
I also personally know 4x other Model 3 owners who didn't have any problems with theirs.
I accept the fact that quality can be different between Tesla models. I believe Model X is rated least reliable vehicle within EV and ICE vehicles.
I don't believe in Tesla self-driving (at least the way it is now). After seeing how autopilot in my Model 3 made few mistakes in simple situations where I wouldn't even blink, I didn't subscribe to full self-driving package. I use autopilot mostly as adaptive cruise control - same as in any other my family vehicle (Honda CRV, Ford Ranger)
I'm not trying to promote Tesla. I just don't think that it is fair to say that all Teslas are crap and other major manufacturers are perfect.
I owned Chevy Volt which spent few weeks in dealer's service department on couple of occasions. One of those was brakes went crazy because CV boot clamp was not installed correctly in the factory. It killed speed sensor when it decided to fly away. The dealer's apology was "someone on assembly line had a bad day or my car was assembled on Monday". Luckily there was no one around when it started randomly applying the brakes on its own.
Ford's transmissions were horrible 20 years ago and my father believes only in Japanese cars.
I try to stay open minded and give manufacturers a chance when they offer something that interests me. Like it was in case of Ranger.

Regards,
- Yevgeniy

 

[Vulgar Display]

This data is from 2020. https://www.rd.com/article/car-brands-most-fewest-recalls/

Ford
Recalls: 209
Vehicles affected: 24,892,471

And these manufacturers had the lowest number of recalls among top U.S. carmakers from 2014 through 2018:

Tesla
Recalls: 8
Vehicles affected: 210,727

That's all well and good, but if you compare Tesla to Ford from 2014 to 2021, Tesla produced a fraction of the vehicles (1,760,369) Ford produced (18,340,725). Not to mention Tesla only produces three different models. I don't even know how many models Ford produces, but its a lot more then three. Tesla also didn't really ramp up production until around 2018 or 2019, they only made 506.997 cars between 2014 and 2018.

Here are the production numbers by year for both makes.

Ford

2021 1,820,013

2020 1,939,555

2019 2,310,494

2018 2,393,731

2017 2,475,556

2016 2,502,973

2015 2,511,935

2014 2,386,468





Tesla

2021 (Q1+Q2) 386,181

2020 499,535

2019 367,656

2018 245,491

2017 103,091

2016 76,243

2015 50,517

2014 31,655

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