Tesla semi issues and limited range

[JohnnyO]

Diesel is dead in the US. And that baby Duramax is a turd.

Diesel never took off in the first place despite being better than gasoline.

It started to catch a bit, then the coal rollers ruined it for everybody.

Problems are that 1) half the country has this thing called winter which makes life difficult for diesel owners and 2) U.S. emissions standards for diesels are hard for small engines to meet, this is why Europe (I've been there) have a lot of compact diesel-powered cars that get phenomenal mileage but they are not available here even though many of them are the same model of car. See the VW emissions cheating lawsuit.

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[JohnnyO]

govt does not want us to be mobile for any great distance.

That's why they want everything you own to be electric. It's a lot easier for them to shut off from a central place if you're misbehaving.

 

[9zero1790]

That's why they want everything you own to be electric. It's a lot easier for them to shut off from a central place if you're misbehaving.

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[MrBirdman330]

Problems are that 1) half the country has this thing called winter which makes life difficult for diesel owners and 2) U.S. emissions standards for diesels are hard for small engines to meet, this is why Europe (I've been there) have a lot of compact diesel-powered cars that get phenomenal mileage but they are not available here even though many of them are the same model of car. See the VW emissions cheating lawsuit.

Europe has this thing called winter as well, not an excuse part of the problem is yes Diesel Emissions but the Diesel Emissions didn't become an issue until the 2,000's as VW had several Diesel options and so did Mercedes that also got phenomenal fuel mileage. I had a coworker who put a second tank in his Rabbit pickup, he lived in San Diego at the time, would cross the border to Baja where Diesel was beans cheap. He would spend something like 10 bucks for a whole month of Diesel fuel. No the issue is and I will say this once "Ha ha this is Murica, gots to have my big Murican V8 gas guzzler. No replacement for displacement haha we don't need no nothing else!" Better understood when read aloud and having drank a six-pack of beer.

 

[D Fresh]

Problems are that 1) half the country has this thing called winter which makes life difficult for diesel owners and 2) U.S. emissions standards for diesels are hard for small engines to meet, this is why Europe (I've been there) have a lot of compact diesel-powered cars that get phenomenal mileage but they are not available here even though many of them are the same model of car. See the VW emissions cheating lawsuit.

Winter has never been a real problem unless you're very far north. And the aforementioned coal rollers are responsible for the emissions standards to which you speak. Those aforementioned coal rollers also brought us DEF and the EPA's crackdown on deletes. Which in turn makes it difficult for even gas motors to be modified when major tuners are afraid of the consequences.

Thank a diesel bro next time you see him.

 

[MrBirdman330]

govt does not want us to be mobile for any great distance.

As I tell my wife why they try to force this crap down our throats, is that us Plebs will have nothing and like it, while the Elites will be rich, have everything and we will like that too.

 

[JohnnyO]

As I tell my wife why they try to force this crap down our throats, is that us Plebs will have nothing and like it, while the Elites will be rich, have everything and we will like that too.

That's how Communist countries are supposed to work. The elites who run the place will be fine.
I used to own two franchises of a national service-type company for 21 years. One thing I learned was that no matter how bad things are everywhere else, there is never a recession in Northern California and Washington, D.C.

 

[JohnnyO]

Winter has never been a real problem unless you're very far north. And the aforementioned coal rollers are responsible for the emissions standards to which you speak. Those aforementioned coal rollers also brought us DEF and the EPA's crackdown on deletes. Which in turn makes it difficult for even gas motors to be modified when major tuners are afraid of the consequences.

Thank a diesel bro next time you see him.

I don't think that had much to do with it. Emissions standards are lighter for heavy trucks but it's stricter for small diesels here. Europe's priority is fuel efficiency (but then their fuel costs $8 a gallon), our priority is emissions. Be easier if we adopted EU emissions and safety standards so automakers could sell the same cars everywhere and we could have access to vehicles that get better mpg. Like diesel Rangers with a 6 speed stick.

 

[D Fresh]

I don't think that had much to do with it. Emissions standards are lighter for heavy trucks but it's stricter for small diesels here. Europe's priority is fuel efficiency (but then their fuel costs $8 a gallon), our priority is emissions. Be easier if we adopted EU emissions and safety standards so automakers could sell the same cars everywhere and we could have access to vehicles that get better mpg. Like diesel Rangers with a 6 speed stick.

Then you haven't been paying attention. The EPA adopted those more stringent deisel standards in 2008, about 5 years after tuned diesels and rolling coal really picked up steam.

People around here like to think they want a deisel truck. But oddly enough the Canyarado twins didn't sell many, auto or manual. And Ford didn't sell too many of their 3.0 Powerstrokes here either. Ram has also discontinued their light duty deisels.

 

[MrBirdman330]

I don't think that had much to do with it. Emissions standards are lighter for heavy trucks but it's stricter for small diesels here. Europe's priority is fuel efficiency (but then their fuel costs $8 a gallon), our priority is emissions. Be easier if we adopted EU emissions and safety standards so automakers could sell the same cars everywhere and we could have access to vehicles that get better mpg. Like diesel Rangers with a 6 speed stick.

Which we would be able to adopt Euro Emissions provided we get rid of Commie I mean Cali Emissions and send CARB into the dirt where it belongs. I couldn't get idiots to understand removing CARBs autonomy to dictate emissions standards which hurts more than helps would make cars more affordable. Of course after 20' all automakers in favor of it about faced and supported CARB instead. Being able to just instantly adopt cuts costs down for Automakers and consumers.

 

[JohnnyO]

Then you haven't been paying attention. The EPA adopted those more stringent deisel standards in 2008, about 5 years after tuned diesels and rolling coal really picked up steam.

People around here like to think they want a deisel truck. But oddly enough the Canyarado twins didn't sell many, auto or manual. And Ford didn't sell too many of their 3.0 Powerstrokes here either. Ram has also discontinued their light duty deisels.

Not entirely correct. Heavy trucks have always had lighter emissions standards than cars.
Rolling coal had nothing to do with it. The government has been adopting ever-stricter emissions standards ever since 1968.
The other thing is that for about the last decade, diesel fuel costs more than gasoline and although the mileage is better the payback period is a lot longer. Plus you have to buy DEF now. A diesel in an F-250 costs about $12,000 more and it takes about 200,000 miles to pay for itself. Smaller diesels a bit less, but it's still a costly option. Unless you regularly haul or tow heavy stuff or really put on a lot of miles, it just doesn't make economic sense.

In 1981 as a young college student, four of us drove from Pittsburgh to Ft. Lauderdale for Spring Break in my bud's Rabbit diesel. We each put a $20 in the ashtray for fuel, figuring we'd do the same coming back. We drove to Florida, around Florida, and back to Pittsburgh and still had change left from our original $80. That's why I say adopt EU standards so we can have their cars here at a reasonable cost.

 

[D Fresh]

Not entirely correct. Heavy trucks have always had lighter emissions standards than cars.
Rolling coal had nothing to do with it. The government has been adopting ever-stricter emissions standards ever since 1968.
The other thing is that for about the last decade, diesel fuel costs more than gasoline and although the mileage is better the payback period is a lot longer. Plus you have to buy DEF now. A diesel in an F-250 costs about $12,000 more and it takes about 200,000 miles to pay for itself. Smaller diesels a bit less, but it's still a costly option. Unless you regularly haul or tow heavy stuff or really put on a lot of miles, it just doesn't make economic sense.

In 1981 as a young college student, four of us drove from Pittsburgh to Ft. Lauderdale for Spring Break in my bud's Rabbit diesel. We each put a $20 in the ashtray for fuel, figuring we'd do the same coming back. We drove to Florida, around Florida, and back to Pittsburgh and still had change left from our original $80. That's why I say adopt EU standards so we can have their cars here at a reasonable cost.

Nobody here wants to drive a 1980 Deisel Rabbit though. Regardless of the miles per gallon.

In 1981 deisel fuel was 80% the cost of gas. Today it's 120%. The slight MPG gains are a wash.

Regardless of the cause we are in agreement that the EPA killed deisel here except when loads dictate.

I, for one, am fine with it. But I don't really care about MPG, within reason.

 

[JohnnyO]

Nobody here wants to drive a 1980 Deisel Rabbit though. Regardless of the miles per gallon.

In 1981 deisel fuel was 80% the cost of gas. Today it's 120%. The slight MPG gains are a wash.

Regardless of the cause we are in agreement that the EPA killed deisel here except when loads dictate.

I, for one, am fine with it. But I don't really care about MPG, within reason.

It was a little cramped for four guys but getting away from winter for ten days was a powerful incentive.
As I recall, diesel cost about $1.10 at the time.
We’d just rest our heel on the gas pedal and flat-out it would hit 70 mph, maybe 75 downhill.

 

[dtech]

Not entirely correct. Heavy trucks have always had lighter emissions standards than cars.
Rolling coal had nothing to do with it. The government has been adopting ever-stricter emissions standards ever since 1968.
The other thing is that for about the last decade, diesel fuel costs more than gasoline and although the mileage is better the payback period is a lot longer. Plus you have to buy DEF now. A diesel in an F-250 costs about $12,000 more and it takes about 200,000 miles to pay for itself. Smaller diesels a bit less, but it's still a costly option. Unless you regularly haul or tow heavy stuff or really put on a lot of miles, it just doesn't make economic sense.

In 1981 as a young college student, four of us drove from Pittsburgh to Ft. Lauderdale for Spring Break in my bud's Rabbit diesel. We each put a $20 in the ashtray for fuel, figuring we'd do the same coming back. We drove to Florida, around Florida, and back to Pittsburgh and still had change left from our original $80. That's why I say adopt EU standards so we can have their cars here at a reasonable cost.

Hmm - adopt EU standards, now that an interesting suggestion given the gist of the thread and the predominant thinking on this site, thought I'd chime in with what the EU recently approved.(in bold below) Now I do agree the diesels in Europe are fun to drive , but their autos have always been mostly smaller and more fuel efficient to begin with and less of the pop owns autos.
I've seen coal rollers in action and in CO they passed legislation putting significant fines on them , this after several of them deliberately rolled a bunch of spectators at a parade and also seen them on the road belching foul black smoke so glad they have been restricted. Some of the older diesels are pretty bad and yes those diesel fumes are toxic .

EU lawmakers approve effective 2035 ban on new fossil fuel cars

 

[JohnnyO]

Hmm - adopt EU standards, now that an interesting suggestion given the gist of the thread and the predominant thinking on this site, thought I'd chime in with what the EU recently approved.(in bold below) Now I do agree the diesels in Europe are fun to drive , but their autos have always been mostly smaller and more fuel efficient to begin with and less of the pop owns autos.
I've seen coal rollers in action and in CO they passed legislation putting significant fines on them , this after several of them deliberately rolled a bunch of spectators at a parade and also seen them on the road belching foul black smoke so glad they have been restricted. Some of the older diesels are pretty bad and yes those diesel fumes are toxic .

EU lawmakers approve effective 2035 ban on new fossil fuel cars

I was referring to the past and present but yeah, the Greenie goofballs are taking over there just like here.

Elderly JohnnyO talking to his great-grandkids:
“In the Before Times why we could just get in our cars and go anywhere we wanted whenever we wanted. In fact you could drive 300 miles, fill your car up with gas in ten minutes, and drive another 300 miles.”

Great-grandkids: “Mom! Grandpa Jon’s dementia is kicking in and he’s telling weird stories again!”

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